Re the diversity vs. capability comment above. Maybe I’d call that a straw-man argument--I don’t think even “extremely left leaning” people are saying they want diversity “above capability.” Earlier we were discussing the difficulty (futility, even!) in determining capability during an interview in the first place. And it’s not like everyone gets represented simply as a function of two values. Recruiters, interviewers, etc tend to fall back on the term “fit” because purely objective measures fail in one way or another. But this, in turn, opens the door to bias again. I think that, at least until we really fix things, we need to be pretty direct or top-down in confronting bias and therefore promoting diversity. All this to say that there’s a big difference in my mind between working to fix a broken industry by confronting bias and promoting diversity vs simply diversity > capability.

@brianballantine Yes, and I think part of the issue is that so many people underestimate the impact of all the subtle little biases that are baked into our industry and our overall thinking.

@isak Would love to hear more about what you are doing in Colorado Springs with Clojure. I run the Den of Clojure up in Denver.

@danielglauser Cool! I'll come to the next meeting. Hard to give a good explanation in text.

Sounds good, looking forward to it.