I suggest that once the post has dissappeard from the #jobs channel on slack, you can repost it

that's my go-to timespan too @maleghast

Thanks chaps - I will monitor the channel and re-post when it’s dropped off… 🙂

It’s not a senior position - it’s a mid-level position.

The JD says if you are not a novice / new-comer but not yet ready to run a team

Half the jobs listed on the end of the link you posted offer salaries within the range offered.

it does say senior in title, and in file name

which is probably where confusion came from - people tend to use these to pre-filter

I am old enough to be a senior...

*facepalm*

Senior Front End Developer, NOT Senior ClojureScript Developer

I imagine that was too subtle

😞

£45-£55k / annum is good money for Front End Devs.

(in the wider market)

The salary monitoring websites put Senior Java Devs in the same price-bracket. I was trying to pitch it at someone who is an enthusiast with the Front End chops who wants a way in to Clojure / Clojurescript and also wants a gig that is about more than the money

I’m not being paid remotely what every other recruiter I meet tells me that I could be making, but the mission inside this gig is a big factor.

Mission match is not an immediate thing, tbh. People are not criticising, just trying to point in potential points of delay in finding a good match.

That’s cool - I am just frustrated. It’s not your fault that you and @U0DPX8ZQB have pointed out a valid issue, @lady3janepl 🙂

tbh Senior Front End Developer will probably be on the same range as 60-80k

Only if it’s code for “ReactJS Guru” There are loads of JavaScript / HTML / CSS jobs out there with Senior on the title offering out at £35-40k

Yeah, I’m more used to seeing seniors at 50 and above, for the definition of “you can give them a generally defined task and leave them alone to research and figure their way out”

But, yes, you’re right, there are a lot of lesser paying jobs as well 🙂

I mean I do agree with what you are both saying as I may well have got the perception sell wrong, but for the level of experience, autonomy and responsibility that this role represents the money is generous without being an attempt to buy a candidate - after all we really do need someone from a character-fit side of things to be motivated by more things than money

Nonetheless, I genuinely appreciate the feedback and I can’t help but think that it was a misstep on my part now I look at it from a different perspective.

😞

> after all we really do need someone from a character-fit side of things to be motivated by more things than money I feel that’s a cope out, but can understand why people thing that. You should still be paying market rates and being motivated about the vision of the company is extra.

Some companies take too much advantage of employees

> Yeah, I’m more used to seeing seniors at 50 and above, for the definition of “you can give them a generally defined task and leave them alone to research and figure their way out” I think mid level engineers should have that definition and in London I’d say the range was 40-65. Unfortunately if you join and stay at a company at a low salary don’t expect major pay rises 😞

@U0DPX8ZQB - I can respect that position, but what if we can’t afford that..? I mean seriously? I took a £20k pay cut to work at the BBC back in 2014 - it was totally worth it in terms of what it did for my career and what it did for me personally in terms of feeling as though I did something good with my time / skills / effort

I don’t think I was taken advantage of.

Honestly, and re-reading the ad, I think the upper range is fair for a person that ticks your musts. It’s just that I’d expect more from a senior so I think there may be confusion 🙂

yeah, the senior definitely should be removed imo

I am currently taking home some__ far less than I could__ get the market to bear, I am not a founder, I do really believe in what we are doing.

In your previous experience, do people write on the same day as the ad is posted?

@lady3janepl - depends… When I’ve recruited for Ruby devs I got immediate traction, within 24-48 hours. I’ve always thought that the Clojure Community in London needed more jobs. last year at Clojure eXchange nearly half the delegates were not working in Clojure.

I guess I was rather hoping that people were still hungry for roles that represent a chance to go from fan to paid practitioner.

one thing you might want to watch out for is if people join your company just to get some experience in clojure and then leave for a better paid job

@U0DPX8ZQB - I do see where you are coming from, but if I had the budget to recruit more people then Senior would make sense as this role would be the most Senior role on the Front End. We’re not looking for a team lead, we’re not looking for someone with Architecture skills, or indeed someone who is already__ a ClojureScript developer, necessarily, but they will be the most senior Front End dev in our organisation.

@U0DPX8ZQB - Right now that would be acceptable to me. If we only paid someone for 6 months ’cos they stepping-stoned out of here to something else, but in that 6 months we had a Front End capable body, without paying contractor rates, I would be ok with hiring again.

Clearly I would rather someone came for the mission and stayed for the mission, and that we built a stable team, but I accept that I can’t be sure of that, even with an extended interview process…