Clojurians Log v2

Lenny Kravitz is metal 🤔

Cool. I never learned sql proper, and have been looking towards EAV stores (datomic etc) for the prospect of easy joins, and perhaps more intuitive querying. But this is a nice invitation to try sql out directly.

As far as I can tell, java CEF doesn't have a good story for integration with javafx (see this https://bitbucket.org/chromiumembedded/java-cef/issues/163/provide-javafx-node-for-jcef), but clj-cef can. I think clj-cef would make a great fit for this sort of thing, but I'm not sure what a good API would look like. CEF offers lots of knobs. If someone had a compelling use case, I'd be happy to work with them to make clj-cef work for them.

My main concern with going browser route is VM boundary — I want to access and inspect objects living in JVM, when using browser it's getting harder to do so. Maybe I'm over-worried about it...

That's the benefit of CEF, it's in-process!

hmm, I should check out clj-cef then...

oh right, it doesn't work on Windows, that's what prevented me from checking it out the last time I saw it...

oh yea, I forgot about that too

There's no reason why it couldn't work on windows. I just don't know how to setup a windows environment

That's been on my todo list forever, I should give it a shot

Hmm, I'm still not sure using CEF can be the way forward for Reveal... Switching to CEF probably implies a rewrite, and I'm not sure I have energy to do that

I was thinking you would just embed CEF as a javafx view inside of what you already have

Ah, that sounds possible

basically, as a replacement for however you used :fx/type :web-view

yeah..

the cool thing about CEF is that you have all these hooks and knobs. For instance, you can stop processing the browser, you can step the browser's event loop, override request processing, save a screenshot on every repaint, and a bunch of other wacky things.

I'm a big fan of reveal, I've even written some plugins using membrane for reveal: • https://github.com/phronmophobic/reveal-treemap • https://github.com/phronmophobic/reveal-exception I think there's still lots of cool ideas yet to be explored and reveal's innovations are a great example. Personally, the one big change I would like to see is have all of the various repl UI projects leverage a common format so that the features are decoupled from their environment. There are cool tools being written for calva, cider, portal, reveal, cursive, web (eg. re-frame 10x, pathom viz), etc and they're all coupled to their environments. Since membrane's UIs aren't coupled to any specific environment, they could be run anywhere. It doesn't even have to be membrane, but I'm not aware of other options. If the community was all building tools that could be shared across environments, we would all benefit.

I can't wait for 2040s when the only remaining VM alive is wasm 😄

@chromalchemy btw Reveal is built to create ad-hoc visual tools, I'd suggest checking out https://github.com/vlaaad/reveal/blob/master/src/vlaaad/reveal/ext.clj for building blocks and some examples here: https://github.com/vlaaad/reveal/tree/master/examples

including reactive views that watch refs...

ah I was wrong, its 2035, not 2040

that's a reference to https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death-of-javascript

Interesting, reminds me of https://blog.stackblitz.com/posts/introducing-webcontainers/

@vlaaad thanks for the examples. I will try them out. @smith.adriane that’s a great vision, reusable interoperable dev viz components! Thanks for the plugins. The treemaps are neat