It's on my list! But I'm holding off on it for a while since there's a LOT of other things to do and I see it as an optional extra that just saves you running another terminal. I think it's actually worse to run your REPL from your editor, especially if it's Neovim since the process is usually disposable and easily restartable. But, I can still see the need for it in some scenarios, so I'm not against it as an option.

I would love to have support for things like babashka too right out of the box.

One of the main goals I have for Conjure is to be as easy to use as possible by default (so a total Clojure newbie at a Clojure Bridge event or something) could pick it up and start evaluating within minutes. Just like VSCode + Calva but Neovim I guess. Having a button that starts the REPL and gets you evaluating right away is part of that.

I want Conjure to work out of the box for beginners, but still be a power tool experienced users can never hit the limits of through extra plugins that hook into it etc.

Also, what do you think about automatically downloading, running and connecting to babashka on eval with no connection :thinking_face:

sounds good - makes it work out of the box; certainly much easier for the beginner

What about a fallback port if the repl port file cannot be found ?

Hmm, do you mean a setting that's like a default for your machine?

So if there's no portfile it tries that port?

yes

that way if you are experimenting outside a project you get a connection to a “sandbox” repl

… so long as you have it running.

Hmm, you can also use :ConjureConnect [port] on the first time you open a Clojure file or when you hit a mapping :thinking_face:

You can also configure the portfile list to check for another portfile like .default-clojure-port and put that in your home directory.

Just trying to think of ways you could do this within the current framework rather than adding more mechanics?

I think both of those can work; can I configure the port file list now ?

Yep, so if you run :ConjureConfig clojure.nrepl/connection.port-files [".nrepl-port" ".shadow-cljs/nrepl.port" ".conjure-port"] it'll then look for .conjure-port if the other two fail. In every directory above yours, including your home directory.

I think I might just add one thought as a default :thinking_face:

What do you think about that file name since it's Conjure specific?

.conjure-port, or maybe .conjure-default-port.

.conjure-default-port; I know this may not fit with what you have in place but I’m not a fan of littering the home directory ( it all gets lost ) - I would personally prefer options like this to sit in the XDG_CONFIG_HOME/conjure

Or if I add a secondary search for the XDG config dir you could just create a .nrepl-port file in there :thinking_face:

I agree that littering ~ is bad

I like the that

Keeps it simple, gives you more options, doesn't add too much complexity / things that require more explaining and learning. Will still document this concept, but it's on top of existing ideas which is nice.

yes - it’s clear what you have setup

Okay, that's on develop! So you can now use ~/.config/conjure/.nrepl-port as a fallback

It respects XDG_CONFIG_HOME

If that's working well for you I may well tag a release 😄 (on develop right now)

It works for me 🍻

Ah that sucks! I'll have to check again, was working well for me. Probably to do with runtimepath stuff.

Maybe this extra information helps: Macosx iterm nvim: 0.4.3

Hmm should be fine really. It's probably to do with whatever plugin manager you're using. I add Conjure to the runtimepath temporarily and there's probably something that's reverting that from your dotfiles. I think.

Maybe I need to add it to RTP later is all.

Just to clarify, I use vim-plug

Hmm, same as me then. Main difference is Linux / Mac. I wonder if it's /tmp behaving differently on OSX?

How's that? I wait for VimEnter now which should give it time to load the plugin properly from the runtimepath.

(pushed to develop)

That's fair. I totally recognize that a lot of people really like debuggers, I just never really took a liking to them 🙂 I have played around with Common Lisp a little and the interactive debugger is really unique!

you might find this interesting: http://arsenerei.com/blog/posts/2017-02-24-vim-sayid/

i played around with sayid in vim a while back, but wasn't quite able to get it working. i think that was before this blog post + 3rd party plugin

@dave Tried that plugin last night. It requires vim-fireplace. I didn't spend time trying to disentangle the dependency.

ah, ok

I think it is my mistake 😅

Ah! Okay, I thought maybe it was how the word boundaries were defined, like, sometimes you can set up vim to consider - a break in a word. Which you don't want with lisps

If I place the cursor in “school” it works, but if I place the cursor in “lesson” it doesn’t

yes, it looks like

Although I don’t have any special vim customization in that regard

Hmmm, something I'll have to account for

Does <prefix>ew work properly for you?

I don't want to change how your words are defined for you, but I can try and account for custom ones.

with <prefix> you mean <localleader>?

Yep, by default

I say <prefix> because you may change it.

let mapleader = “\\” let maplocalleader = “,”

if I type “,ew” in any letter of “school” it works

Ah, fun! So there's two things at play

I guess ,EiW works too

Since that goes to whiteapce

but if I type it in “.lesson-5-message”it does not work

Hm, fun! So mine probably works fine due to vim-sexp or something being installed.

,EiW looks like it works but the HUD dissapears verty quickly

I'll alter the tutorial to work for everyone I think. Not sure about changing how word boundaries are defined for Conjure users although it may be the best approach.

great

And yeah, anything that moves the cursor (like motions or text objects sometimes) will hide the hud right away

Not sure how best to get around that one, it's a fairly rare issue

I’ll try to install vim-sexp to confirm it

by the way, not sure if I am doing something wrong…

but in lesson6 if I type V,E it works

but with v%,E it doesn’t when my cursor is in the open parenthesis

I think it disappears quickly with the lowecase-v selection

That's because your cursor gets moved if it's at the end of the visual selection. It's teleported to the front of the selection.

Which triggers the HUD clear

It’s what you said before.

Yup, I'd like to find a way to prevent it at some point!

Super hard to do without introducing weird race conditions though I think.

the ConjureSchool is very cool!

Yay! I'm glad to hear that 😄 I'll try to address these HUD issues at some point (although HARD) and the word boundary issue. Maybe I'll set it for you to something nice for lisps but :thinking_face:

So this is defined by iskeyword and the built in Clojure support apparently sets this up correctly. Here's mine: @,48-57,_,192-255,?,-,*,!,+,/,=,<,>,.,:,$

I would imagine you've modified yours or some other plugin has?

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full output ^^

Ah interesting! But easy to repro

oh, sorry, this is on 016d287

I'll tackle this sooooon

(latest commit on develop)

I'm sure I've done something silly

I'll try to put a test in for it too :thinking_face:

awesome, thanks!