clojure-europe 2022-02-26

Good morning

I just read a Russian news site. According to that, Zelensky has fled Kiev and is protected by neo-nazis. Isn't is a bit weird that Zelensky who is Jewish is protected by neo-nazis?

Ben Sless13:02:05

If you want a wild ride, read about Azov Battalion

borkdude13:02:40

Also I've watched a couple of Youtube lectures by a US professor of political sciences who explains that this conflict has been going on since 2008 and was sparked every time the West kind of opened up to Ukraine becoming a NATO member. Every time they were taking steps in that direction Russia has said they were crossing a line. This is a lecture from 2015: https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4. I didn't know much about this topic, but it was quite informative for me.

Ben Sless13:02:29

This is why I said this https://clojurians.slack.com/archives/CBJ5CGE0G/p1645700541529159?thread_ts=1645691568.525169&cid=CBJ5CGE0G

Ben Sless13:02:16

I debated posting this lecture. It's tragic how avoidable this has all been

Ben Sless13:02:18

After 91 Russia got promises in writing NATO won't expand eastwards. Well, that didn't happen. From a Russian perspective, Ukraine joining NATO is in the same ball park as the Cuban missile crisis for US Tragedy and stupid avoidable blunder

borkdude13:02:46

That's indeed what that professor explained: the Monroe doctrine.

Ben Sless13:02:27

So the Russians didn't stay put and started consolidating what they could. Why do you think the sanctions exclude anything to do with energy exports? Because Europe , especially Germany, depends on it now. Russia financed anti cracking campaigns in Europe :man-shrugging:

zane22:02:37

borkdude22:02:48

thanks for sharing

borkdude16:02:54

@U050CT4HR watched the whole thing now, great addition

zane19:02:24

@U04V15CAJ I learned a lot!

lread14:03:27

Thanks for sharing these presentations.

borkdude22:03:16

Today I watched this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfD_CaSIxmQ

zane00:03:01

I would be wary of that one. It was pretty widely criticized as being full of distortions and inaccuracies.

zane00:03:30

For example, here: https://blogs.mediapart.fr/anna-colin-lebedev/blog/290116/d-ou-me-venait-cette-legere-impression-de-m-etre-fait-avoir

zane02:03:19

Jewish groups living in Ukraine issued a joint statement about how the issue of anti-Semitism in the country was being distorted for political purposes. I’d recommend reading it. It’s short. • Original: https://vaadua.org/news/ob-antisemitizme-v-ukraine-rezolyuciya-sovmestnoy-konferencii-shesti-evreyskih-obedineniy • Google-translated into English: https://vaadua-org.translate.goog/news/ob-antisemitizme-v-ukraine-rezolyuciya-sovmestnoy-konferencii-shesti-evreyskih-obedineniy?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

zane03:03:24

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/24/putin-denazify-ukraine/

borkdude11:03:35

Thanks for the additional info. Yesterday I saw an interesting analysis of a professor of international relations/politics. Here's the article: https://wnl.tv/2022/03/05/hoogleraar-poetin-ziet-zichzelf-als-redder-van-russische-ziel-het-is-een-heilige-strijd/ explaining the religious component of this conflict. Perhaps you can read it using google translate.

borkdude11:03:41

The influence of this patriarch in Russia is quite big, nothing like the pope in the west.

pez13:02:02

Chilling with the family by the sea.

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Ben Sless14:02:13

Why do you get the nice weather up north and I get clouds and rain down south?

pez17:02:57

It really was awesome weather today. Just below zero, but you can sense the spring getting ready to make an entrance.

ray22:02:37

Goodnight

ray22:02:57

It's meant to be sunny all week - only the weather sadly.

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