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Steven Deobald14:07:49

@foo I'm sure I read this at some point in years gone by, but I'd definitely forgotten it: ... thanks for reminding me. Outside of the OOP=yay + MVC=yay and the "Progress over Stability" section, I think it's safe to say I still agree with most of what he's pitching here. One nuance: There's something about Ruby that conflates cute code and beautiful code, but I feel like those battle lines are already well-drawn in the Clojure ecosystem. The first 2 or 3 years of Clojure's existence taught everyone some hard lessons and, in general, I don't see a lot of those painful design mistakes making it very far these days. Clojure is also inherently constrained in a way Ruby isn't, so it's probably not a big deal anyway. Like, Ruby offers 150 weird metaprogramming and object lifecycle hooks that don't even make sense in a Clojure universe.

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Jacob O'Bryant20:07:17

Yeah it was a good post! I get that impression too. Vaguely reminds me of the behavior of contains? on vectors.

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