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emccue05:10:17

I made a toy thing in elm

borkdude11:10:33

any highlights?

cvic11:10:13

> What is the principal JVM language you use for your main applications? Java 90% Clojure 3% Kotlin 2.42% :thinking_face:

Alex Miller (Clojure team)12:10:24

Also, Groovy and Scala were lower than those!

cvic12:10:57

Yes... maybe a lot of Clojure devs participated in the survey? 😄

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bronsa12:10:36

always take those stats/surveys with a grain of salt, they usually have massive self-selection bias, see for examplpe a completely different one, likely just as biased: https://www.languagehealth.com/#Scala,Kotlin,Groovy,Clojure

emccue12:10:35

I'll take the PR

emccue12:10:06

Anyone want to write a clickbait article about "clojure more popular than kotlin"

manutter5112:10:44

Headline: “Better Than Kotlin, Say Java Devs” so you have to click it to find out what the other language is.

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emccue12:10:14

Better than kotlin and scala

emccue12:10:29

I think we're onto something here folks

cvic13:10:29

> Better than Kotlin and Scala... and Java! > The name of that language will shock you

cvic13:10:33

> It's COBOL

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joelsanchez13:10:01

how can 90% of people use Java though? are there so many typing enthusiasts out there?

joelsanchez13:10:11

can I get stats on their WPM too?

emccue13:10:28

Classes per minute

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cvic13:10:35

They use their IDE to generate getters and setters... so it's all good.

tbaldridge14:10:40

On the topic of selection bias, that's something I don't think we notice much here (of-course, seeing as this is a language-specific slack). People that talk in these rooms tend to be language enthusiasts who have the desire/power to switch languages. These people tend to hang out together, go to conferences together, etc.

solf14:10:55

As someone relatively young (27 years old) that has never worked in anything close to a Big 4 or a unicorn startup: selection bias (or something related to it) is probably responsible in a significant way to my impostor syndrome.

solf14:10:07

I haven't worked with a big number of people in a professional setting, without false modesty I can say that I was better than most of them. Yet everyday I read articles, peruse blogs and clone githubs from people with so many big achievements that I wonder by which miracle I found someone that decides to give me a salary instead to one of those so much more accomplished people

blueberry19:10:12

You had applied for that particular placement at your company, while these people haven't.

tbaldridge14:10:35

Whenever I meet a software engineer outside of my normal connections (at the gym, something my kids are at, and so on), I find that the vast majority of them have never heard of Clojure, and many who work on the JVM have only heard of Python in passing.

tbaldridge14:10:54

Even as big as Ruby is, it's still not that popular of a language, which is always surprises me a bit. There's a lot of developers out there who started with Java via some on-line course, or some classes in college, and then worked enterprise jobs ever since.

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