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I always encourage people to talk salary at user groups because in my experience the distribution is crazy
Yeah, I always think the beeb pays low, and talking to other people from large companies it does, but I also know a lot of folks from smaller orgs who don't pay anything like what we do but want similar experience etc
Well, maybe. I wasn't talking to devs about what they were being paid with the smaller orgs. I was talking to hiring managers about what they were able to offer, and they weren't desperate for folks because noone was biting or anything
I guess there's also the largely unspoken thing that quality of candidate varies wildly - and even within that, it's a guessing game as to who will be effective in their job once they land
Complicated by the fact that one person would smash it in environment x but flounder in environment y - and as a recruitment panel person you have to shoot at that moving target as well...
I have at least few experiences of my peers and seniors being paid below what I’m paid
accept the first offer and hope the company does a readjustment (when they find out they’ve been paid less then everyone else). But that rarely happens
it does happen - i was discussing making adjustments for some of my people with our cfo yesterday
(I guess that) it's often those who accept a proposed salary without negociating who leave without threat or negociation.
I’ve seen it a few times. But only when people say they are leaving / have another offer on the table
Re salary, I tried to press a friend of mine who is a successful recruiter on how much I should ask for when negotiating for a new job, and he basically said "As much as you can get". He also said that it's "all over the place" (which means average is a horrible way to determine what you should be asking for).
Also, if you have a decent job but are looking for the next opportunity, you're in a good position to negotiate.
Heh, I remember one time during a phone screen the guy asked me, "So why do you want to work for us?" and I said, "Well, actually, you called me -- I'm actually pretty happy where I am." and he kinda sputtered for a minute.
I got a similar question, "Why do you want to leave your current job?". I replied, "I don't, but you contacted me!" :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
Often, before the interview process even begins, a recruiter will ask your "salary requirements". I try to flip that around and say something like "Obviously I want a salary commensurate with my experience, but I'm also interested in other benefits. What benefits do you offer?"
haha sorry to be pedantic but "commensurate"; although commiserate has a much funnier connotation in this context
Oh yeah. I knew I was screwing that up, but was too lazy to figure it out -- spellcheck and done!
My salary loves to commiserate w/ my experience: "That asshole would rather have healthcare! The nerve!"
yeah, the best job I ever had was also one of my lower-salaried (though still above the average listed above), but was only four days a week and had four weeks of vacation time
which, four days is a huge benefit that to me would be worth quite a bit of money given I was still making enough to meet my expenses
yep. in some states (California and Oregon I know this for sure), it's illegal for them to ask you how much you make now, even
Many companies offer great salaries but horrible health benefits and you end up paying 1-2k a month (for family coverage).
At my current job, when they gave me the offer, I asked for an explanation of the health benefits and the costs. I was able to negotiate there too, since it's a bit easier for a company (I think) to give you benefits instead of increasing salary.