good news all, on that branch i have cell and cell= working in Clojure

via cljc

i had to do many gross things though

well, not too many

nice 🙂 what's the execution semantics on the JVM? Does it fully propagate the updates on the same thread as the trigger?

yeah

i'm making a little IRC client in clj... couldn't proceed without cells 😄

I find myself using https://github.com/ztellman/manifold all the time

@dm3 are you using manifold in UIs?

nope, for orchestration on the backend

it doesn't have a Cljs version currently

@alandipert what kind of IRC client are you making?

flyboarder, windowed but as minimal as possible, so as to play nicely with i3

basically i want a window for every channel

s/channel/conversation

i have window manager scripts for navigating my desktop but any program that has its own concept of tabbing or windowing defeats my methods

yeah thumbs down for tabs too

i for one welcome this new no-tabs lifestyle

yeah im all for fullscreen windows instead of tabs

i mean i have tabs, they're just all i3 tabs

@alandipert was just curious as I want to play with signal soon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)

@flyboarder cool, yeah, been meaning to check it out myself

@alandipert what os are you running i3 in?

@flyboarder ubuntu 14

via https://github.com/lvillani/i3-gnome

ah ok, are you and micha both using linux for development? How do you find it? I have never really used linux for my everyday os

it's amazing and i love it

of course i deploy mostly to linux also, and believe in developing-how-you-deploy

yeah very much so

so obviously i'd need a mac if i were an ios dev or whatever

i am happy to be rid of the OSX desktop

but for general purpose web dev linux is the cat's pajamas

it was getting worse every year

infinitely configurable, robust, and not much different from the EC2s so i don't hit any weird bsd vs. gnu bugs

i3 is pretty much perfect now, i just hope they don't find a way to break it, like with wayland or something

@micha this is also my fear

interesting, i have a mac laptop, but i do run into platform issues all the time developing

yeah i learned unix on linux, then got a mac

@micha why did you want to get rid of the desktop?

but then realized i was doing it wrong, i needed to dev like i deploy

the OSX desktop experience is terrible

for me

i mean yes, i can hear sounds and stuff, which is pretty good

@alandipert yeah that was actually one of the reasons we decided to drop our backend, I had multiple part time people helping out behind the scenes and it was a pain, i basically held the master copy on my laptop and went around fixing repos all the time

but other than like basic computer working the interface is pretty much the worst thing ever

i held out on OS x for a time with various tiling window helper programs

but they were all miserable compared to linux state-of-the-art

yeah fullscreen-windows have only gotten a bit better because of how easy it is to switch between fullscreen things now but i dont have enough screen real estate for multiple things at once 😕

at least not on my 15” display, it’s already too small 😂

slack looks pretty tho

do you not plug in to external display?

no, sometimes a tv

but then the resolution is crap, and airplay resolution is also crap

oh yeah, i tried that once

it was less awesome than i hoped

didn't realize the difference between tv and monitors lol

yeah i can either use the display resolution on the MBPR and mirror that or use the resolution of the tv and mirror that, or a separate display which is the worst of both