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dharrigan08:01:15

Good Morning!

simongray08:01:18

good morning

RAMart08:01:06

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ordnungswidrig08:01:21

Good morning! 🍵

Jakub Holý (HolyJak)10:01:10

Good morning, everyone!

genRaiy11:01:36

good morning - feeling refreshed after the dog walk

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thomas16:01:17

Geeking around today... I had fibre installed a few weeks ago. And that is really fast... but my machine upstairs (where I am typing this) was just connected through a tiny USB wifi dongle through a wifi Mesh. Only got about 60/70Mbps that way. Today I realised that the wifi mesh station have an ethernet connection as well.. So now connected through a cable to the wifi-mesh. Now I can get 250Mbps down and over 300 Mbps upstream.

thomas16:01:40

So now I can finally unleash my full potential!

borkdude16:01:28

@thomas Awesome! Any wifi mesh you can recommend? I have an Apple Airport which is aging well, but one day I'm afraid I'll have to replace it

thomas16:01:03

I got a three station mesh from Deco, M5. works pretty good and it straight forward to set up with an App on your phone. Haven't tried any other as this one came for "free" with my fibre connection.

thomas16:01:33

YMMV of course

borkdude16:01:27

Of course. Does this also support bridge mode?

dharrigan16:01:25

I use unifi AP's

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dharrigan16:01:01

My setup is fibre modem -> opnsense firewall/router -> switches -> a mesh of unifi AP's (and other things too)

thomas16:01:10

I think so, but have a look at the docs

paulspencerwilliams16:01:50

+1 on the Unifis! I have their Amplifi system and I've had zero problems with it in over a year.

lread17:01:20

Yeah, I’m still on the old Apple Airport Time Capsule and Express for WiFi. Guess I’ll have to upgrade some day!

thomas16:01:25

On a completely different note... I have been scanning my old CD collection for the last few days as well... I first started doing this 10 years ago with the idea I could use Raspberry Pi to play the music, just never got round to do it all.

thomas16:01:06

But quite a few CD's won't scan unfortunately 😞 maybe too old, or what ever reason there is.

agigao16:01:30

After a quite devoted attempt to get rid of mac and use GNU/Linux or Win 11 + WLS I’ve given up. Is it just me or other systems aren’t as polished and comfortable that let’s you do your job without any serious side-effects along the way?))

zane16:01:43

That would be why I’m still on the Mac.

pez16:01:31

I think it is a lot down to preferences. Macs and I are on the same wavelength or something. 😃 I get suicidal using Windows.

dharrigan16:01:34

Oh I don't know, I find the mac less intuitive to use that my linux setup 🙂 I've been a very long time unix/linux user and <shrug> to each their own 🙂

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dharrigan16:01:47

Windows however, only if I have too...

dharrigan16:01:29

(and well, only within a VM - best way to run windows, is within a window 😛 )

jkxyz17:01:57

Yeah I think that Linux can even be more useable than macOS, but you have to take it the last mile yourself, and learn what tools and services do what. For development environments that just work every time, even around whole system upgrades, nothing beats Nix and NixOS

agigao17:01:37

Manjaro is my favourite distro, and have been using it sporadically throughout years, but this time I built a new PC and decided to go full in but couldn’t really get it right: screen tearing, suggested solutions mostly doesn’t work, doesn’t play well with 4K displays etc etc. And I don’t really have that much time to waste. Even though I solved all those issues, turned on fractional scaling and so on - it still feels laggy. Connect Mac to a monitor and you’re good to go. M1 Macs are on another level, and I guess I will upgrade to M1 Pro from M1 in the near future, after my failed attempt to get rid of it 🙈

seancorfield17:01:24

I bought my first Mac back in '92 I think and I've had both laptops and desktops over the years, but I switched to Windows for my laptop back in 2012 and my current Mac desktop will be replaced with a Windows desktop when it fails (the HD is slowly failing -- a problem I've had on several Macs over recent years, and why my wife is back on Windows on the desktop after being on Macs for over a decade).

seancorfield17:01:37

I've become increasingly dissatisfied with both the hardware and the software coming out of Apple over the last decade and I've grown increasingly fond of Windows, especially with WSL2 for development work.

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zane23:01:32

It’s so cool that WSL2 is a viable option now!

Mno17:01:32

I wanted to be able to game and work from the same computer, so I have a Manjaro XFCE VM that works wonderfully with a simple Virtualbox thing. (My laptop is a monster though, so my vm has all the resources it could probably need) I also have a secondary boot partition with manjaro KDE, and it's pretty but being able to save the state of my work when I shutdown my VM is soo comfortable I rarely use it.

gklijs23:01:38

WSL2 is nice, my Elgato mic (software) won't run with Linux. Also using Mac, but never really liked it.

agigao08:01:28

Interesting insights here. Hi Sean, thanks for joining the discussion. Could you please be a bit more specific regarding your dissatisfaction w/Macs? I have my reasons and would love to hear yours too.

gklijs12:01:29

My aversion with Mac is mostly with quality issues on 3 different MacBook pro's. One had a bad Bluetooth, that worked on and off. One just died within 2 years, and they said it was water damage. And my current one, 3 years old, went to sleep with 60% battery remaining. Looking for a new notebook now, and as I want 3 screens support, they also crazy expensive.

seancorfield18:01:04

@chokheli Two-fold, really. As I said, I have had Macs since the early '90s and my experience is that quality has dropped over the years -- I've personally had problems with screens failing and hard drives failing, at a much higher rate lately than they used to, so the higher cost of Macs makes me feel like I'm just not getting value for money these days: they used to be much better quality than run of the mill PCs but I just don't find that to be true these days. And the second reason is more about Apple's "walled garden" and their move to either consumer products and store-based apps or designer-focused products -- rather than developer-focused products. Why run Darwin and deal with the quirks of a not-quite-Linux system when I can run stock Ubuntu (or whatever) on Windows side-by-side these days?

agigao17:01:14

Well, hardware-wise I never had any issues with Apple products, somehow, although I used pretty wide array of products - iPod, Watch, Phone, Mac Air/Pro etc. not even with MBP 15" 2016 w/butterfly keyboard, but the fact that Apple stopped thinking about developers and advanced users in macOS context - is very much true. Flashy, redundantly colorful UI that actually is an eyesore. On the other hand, utilities that worked pre-Yosemite systems, eventually stopped working. Anyway, all things considered, laptops they produce I think are the top of the line, especially with the latest development of events, I'm curious if software follows that "admit" and do better path. P.S. Gave Windows 11 another try, this time WSL with Emacs 29 (as Bozhidar Batsov suggested), seems pretty neat now, I wonder if it replaces Mac as a daily "do the job" machine. Emacs 29 - has much much better font rendering, follows HiDPI scaling etc - I guess it's a Wayland supported version.

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borkdude16:01:55

@chokheli I'm using WSL2 (2 is important) on Windows on a desktop via RDP. What is it that you didn't like about it?

agigao17:01:45

@U04V15CAJ yeah, I did that as well, although with a linux server. MacBook RAM wasn’t enough for hungry data science stuff in Python. But as a main dev interface, experience is quite far from comfortable, there’s always something that requires additional steps to make it work properly.

borkdude17:01:33

I tend to max out on memory if I can, when I buy a new mac

borkdude17:01:40

even though the price is ridiculous

agigao18:01:28

That’s the pitfall :D but well worth it.

borkdude16:01:11

FWIW I'm also still on a mac as my primary dev interface.

borkdude16:01:58

I'd love to have a linux laptop that is as polished and let me do everything in nixos or so, if I would be sufficiently up to speed with that

otfrom17:01:39

I'm pretty happy running ubuntu on a 16 core desktop (with 3 screens and i3)

otfrom17:01:07

I'm only weird in how I install java and I install emacs from source as I want a more up to date version than is usually available

borkdude17:01:32

with gtk support of course

agigao17:01:26

@otfrom that’s the problem with Ubuntu, they still have Emacs 26 in the repo. Manjaro (and Arch of course) on other hand have much much better package management and I find system far more stable as well.

mpenet19:01:23

You can just use nix or guix to get most of your packages.

otfrom19:01:02

I've been thinking about guix as well

otfrom19:01:42

I like the idea of a scheme config

otfrom17:01:43

yeah, I've just not taken the plunge. If I could get good support for my bluetooth sound headset then I think I would, but I'd have to figure out the new installs

otfrom17:01:17

(I'd like good sound when I listen and when I talk, which works when I connect to my phone, but not to a computer)

agigao18:01:16

@otfrom which headphones are you using?

otfrom18:01:26

Aftershokz aeropex headset

agigao18:01:38

Hmm, interesting design, does it require any specific driver or plain bluetooth connection is good to go?

otfrom18:01:42

Plain Bluetooth is good. Bluetooth headset audio quality is the issue

agigao08:01:59

Eh, Bluetooth audio quality... Tried multiple top class Bluetooth headphones (Bose, Sony, B&O etc), still worlds apart for example from Focal Spirit Classic - https://www.focal.com/us/spirit-classic

otfrom09:01:20

I'm not expecting audiophile quality, just not sounding like I'm squawking on a 1920s airplane

otfrom09:01:39

tho, a headset with transducers... 🙂

thomas19:01:17

@otfrom how are you finding the multi screen setup with Ubuntu, I tried it for a few days, but at one stage got a green screen and had to reboot. This was after I turned the monitors off. Also mine aren't the same size... it might not like that either.

otfrom19:01:13

I've got 3 monitors in 2 sizes. The big one in the middle. In !-- configuration

otfrom19:01:08

Works really well with latest Ubuntu and i3

thomas20:01:09

hmm maybe I have to try again sometime.

genRaiy21:01:52

This is another year of Linux on the desktop, for some of us at least

genRaiy22:01:00

One exception: the photo class I'm in uses Photoshop so, not to be that guy, I have a Windows disk that I can boot into for PS.