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@alexmiller: I added some tests to This is my first patch to Clojure so feedback welcome!

Alex Miller (Clojure team)02:06:25

Great! I will take a look tomorrow. Have you signed a contrib agreement?


Hi, can I ask a question?


(run! reduced (range)) returns 0, though the docstring says it “returns nil”. Is this the intended behavior?


@athos not sure if it’s intended behaviour, but looking at the source it will return whatever (proc <last-value-in-coll>) returns. So for example (run! identity [1]) returns 1, not nil as the doc suggests

Alex Miller (Clojure team)11:06:29

jonas: I'd say the run! thing is definitely a simple bug, thx for the ticket.


Do Clojure and ClojureScript have an official birthday? If not, it seems a serious shortcoming: Should I open a ticket? simple_smile


@alexmiller: I'm sure it's been discussed and described before, but I haven't found it, so I'll ask again. How come Clojure isn't developed with git pull-requests (and git issues)

Alex Miller (Clojure team)12:06:04

It would be better if the patch retained a commit with Jonas's original contribution

Alex Miller (Clojure team)12:06:32

Rich prefers reviewing patches to pull requests


Fair enough

Alex Miller (Clojure team)12:06:59

There were concerns at one point over whether a pr was a clear point of contribution but that was in the early days of pull requests and may be less of a concern now


concerning the patch with tests, you'd like to have two commits in there? one for Jonas and one for me?

Alex Miller (Clojure team)12:06:50

That would be nice to retain his contribution

Alex Miller (Clojure team)12:06:22

And re github issues, at the point where the decision was made, github issues were really basic. I'm still not sure they are up to the task although they have come a long way.


I think you have quite a workflow going on in Jira, which might be difficult to duplicate in github issues, although I'm not an expert on the subject.

Alex Miller (Clojure team)12:06:45

I know lots of people don't like jira but I like it better than github issues for doing real tracking.

Alex Miller (Clojure team)12:06:00

Although I wish we were actually using the workflow features jira actually has


In danger of committing internet-suicide, I'll admit to liking Jira simple_smile


I just find working with pull-requests easier than submitting patches.


If I would like to contribute, what’s a good place to jump in? I’m looking at the jira right now and there are a lot of issues, are there any markers for easy or just documentation fixes?


@chris: I do believe there is.


There is some sort of low hanging fruit thingy as well. I'll see if I can find it...


There is of course this you'll need to read:


where I found this:


ok, awesome, thanks


Not that many marked as newbie though...


I read the contributing guide, but apparently not closely enough


It would be cool if this channel could be used to solicit help from the community.


Both ensime and cider have tagged some of their issues with low hanging fruits.


Which is kind of nice for people starting out


I think the idea here is really to supplant the almost dead clojure-dev mailing list as a communication media


about other projects, maybe it's better to stick to their official communication channels


I would suggest, for example, to create a #cider-dev


but #C0617A8PQ folks already use gitter to do that


Oh, I wasn't talking about getting cider-stuff in here, I was suggesting that the issues in Clojure could be tagged in the same way, so that it'd be easier for people to start contributing.


btw I think the #C0617A8PQ people are here on Clojurians already.


@slipset: ooohhh got it. Yeah, I agree that this could be really nice! simple_smile


there is a #C0617A8PQ, but AFAIK user centric. Development discussions are made on Gitter (at least the last time I checked it out)


anyway, back to clojure-the-lang....


I like the idea of tagging issues on Jira simple_smile what we need to do to be able of doing that?


@alexmiller: do you are in favor of this issue tagging?

Alex Miller (Clojure team)13:06:25

I already do that with the newbie tag

Alex Miller (Clojure team)13:06:40

it's just hard to find issues that are a) suitable for newbies b) don't quickly gain patches

Alex Miller (Clojure team)13:06:02

cider questions do not go here - use #C0617A8PQ etc for that

Alex Miller (Clojure team)13:06:35

the idea of this room is also not to supplant the clojure-dev mailing list but to serve as an additional channel


@alexmiller: supplant was a bit stronger of my part - the mailing list is still a good channel for long-form reasoning, like the last conditional reader stuff

Alex Miller (Clojure team)13:06:54

there are many people on the mailing list (like Rich) that are not here and that group is archived and searchable (whereas this one is less so). but sometimes live chat is useful. In the past that's happened on #C03S1KBA2 irc.

Alex Miller (Clojure team)13:06:48

I'm happy to use all of them

Alex Miller (Clojure team)13:06:11

another place to look for things useful to work on are Triaged tickets with no patch

Alex Miller (Clojure team)13:06:21

is a quick search for those


nice filter @alexmiller, thanks!

Alex Miller (Clojure team)13:06:32

@slipset: re 1542, dunno thus left there for Rich to look at eventually