morning

@rhinocratic is it just that smug lisp weenies have consistently bad taste?

there is a special name for the group of consumers that always choose products that fail in the wider market. I wonder if we are them? 😄

Niche I believe it’s called 🙂

morning...and yes, I also tend to prefer niche things. Not KC fan though (I have one album and I would expect I'd like the rest as well, just never got round to it), but an FZ fan.

@rhinocratic You missed a treat with Bruford.

@thomas Depending on the album really determines how our friendship goes forward LOL

@jasonbell as in which one I have?

Yes. 🙂

I’m only joking @thomas

What if it’s a photo album?

And hi :D

Morning.

@jasonbell does Three of a Perfect Pair conform to your standards?

It certainly does. That’s kinda my favourite period, 81-84.

Anyways back to Clojure….

what I like most about KC is singing along in the car

No @otfrom that’s Level 42……

I’m still emotionally scarred from that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3lM_ocAU_0 like this?

you didn't have 21st Century Schizoid Man in the car or I would have given you a rendition of that

I would have taken that over the cat strangling version of Something About You.

@jasonbell I sing along w/the instrumental bits of KC. I think you'd be in a secure unit when I was done.

lol

It doesn’t take music to get your little ways to push me into a secure unit

Morning!

morning!

fun fact, I write for the world's largest progressive rock magazine

👍

Subhothyam

Has any one tried nrepl 4.5 on clojure 1.8, java 1.8 and/or clojur 1.10x and java 9/10?

I was unable to get a prompt yesterday

Ahoy

avast!

Kinda glad I didn’t upgrade yet. It’ll have to happen at some point though.

once upon a time there was a perfectly serviceable 2-d grid of virtual desktops built in to macos itself... i have no idea why the got rid of it - the spatial navigation is so much more useful than with a list

i am, however, very much in favour of things like SIP. but it's painful getting from here to there

Didn’t SIP already break totalspaces in High Sierra?

you used to be able to temporarily disable SIP, install totalspaces then re-enable SIP - i was ok with that

ah

So, what SIP are you referring to?

Because, to me, that acronym is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Integrity_Protection

Aah

Oh remapping caps lock for escape on vim, where have you been all my life?

@dharrigan similarly i have it mapped to ctrl, for emacs

🙂

Although, I'm having to retrain my muscle memory again for my little pinky.

mmm the way haskell does partials is nice

(sorry, tangentially bringing the conversation back to yesterday afternoon )

it's clear which side of the auto-currying-ftw/wrong debate you are on @alex.lynham

haha I can see some of the benefits

I'm happy with partial the same way I'm happy w/ loop/recur. I don't mind the extra typing.

loop/recur is my least favourite thing in clj probs

it feels... inelegant in some way I can't pin down rationally 😛

it is clunky and explicit, but feels a bit less like magic compared to implicit tail recursion

same w/partial for me

the inelegance that comes from being hosted and piggybacking on java’s stack I guess

though I'm not sure I'd get bent out of shape over either one

I guess it feels clunky compared to reduce

it does. I very rarely use loop/recur. I do use partial a fair bit.

generally when I use loop/recur I try to see if there is a way I can use map/reduce/etc

I quite like loop/`recur` actually… It makes perfect sense to me, and I really like that it’s explicit about being tail called. In scheme etc, you only really know it’s safe by digging into the implementation. Obviously I’d always reach for reduce or a higher order variant first; but it’s not always possible or practical to use anything other than loop/`recur`.

e.g. if you’re implementing a stateful transducer.

yeah, loop/recur only when you must (stateful transducer being a good example)

I do like less magic. I think I might have been burned by too many years working on salesforce and zope (which have loads of magic in the environment)

magic makes things less readable for a maintainer unfamiliar with the thing that makes magic go

Hello! Feeling a bit silly didn’t really realise that I should look for a UK channel =)…

it’s called the English Channel, but don’t worry, I’m not the strongest in geography either 😉

(welcome!)

Thanks =)…

The group looks pretty active, I’m based in Cambridge, is it a mix of people regionally? 😃

Welcome @folcon

Thanks @jasonbell 😃