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Wonders about high fives... o/\o 💥

morning

and the title should be all emoji's @alex.lynham

:thumbsup: ➕ 🙂 ➡️ 🚢 💻 💵 😄

👀 👍

and shouldn't the last ➕ not be a sign ?

Shipping software doesn't necessarily bring you money 🙂

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@thomas [emojibot]: your pr has been merged (d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e)

I think the title of the talk would end in '.... for fun and profit'

so maybe the other way round as well?

I’m not sure it’s possible to do a recursive emoji title

because you’d need a custom emoji for the talk

other than or

@otfrom feeble

I'm weak. I know.

It would be done by the time you finished the standup :)

@otfrom live dangerously and die young... 😉

it’s better to burn out (your laptop) than to fade away (stay on last LTS)

I’m joining the People’s Vote March on Saturday. I’m meeting friends at Victoria Station at 11am then heading to Park Lane. Happy to have anyone else join us.

@jr0cket I'll be there in spirit!

If you would like some motivation to join us tomorrow, take a look at this short video https://youtu.be/DPfxSEdUtFk

Nothing gives me more pleasure talking about Kinesis latency just after the AWS rep was selling the ML toolset in the talk before......

Morning

Ahoy hoy

I think I managed to upset (not in order): DBA's (in memory data maps over tradition databases from a convo with @otfrom re Martin Fowler's talk), Python programmers (because, well it was fun to talk about OOM killers from badly designed Python programs), Cloudera (no one really needs the whole platform and AWS (over the Kinesis latency and 5 consumers per shard, can't tune it never never never).

I think I did a good job 🙂

congrats

I’m interested in the in memory data maps over traditional databases bit!

i think i'd be pretty happy with an event-sourced in-memory model with a nice datalog implementation...

but, like, persistence/stability?

event-sourcing takes care of persistence... and makes it easy to run a bunch of replicas. software / schema updates seem more challenging though

The Python programmers boo'd me which was nice. 🙂

yeah, having a persistent event store gives you a lot of freedom (at the trade off of needing to think hard about your other choices, but some of the abominations I've seen in rdbms make me think that we should think harder about our data storage needs)

I do like the idea that everything that isn't the event store is just an application specific cache. 🙂

I mean any tool can be used in a horrible way; some are used in a horrible way more often because they’re more accessible, but that doesn’t make them worse, just easier targets.

agreed.

but great tools are harder to misuse

hmm... I'm gonna think about that one as I'm not sure I agree with it, but I think I get what you are driving at (the set of great tools would have to be considered)

😜

yeah… I don’t agree 🙂 but that’s probably due to a definition of what makes a great tool

where was this @jasonbell?

@alex.lynham Big Data Belfast.

Powerful tools often give you the power to shoot yourself in the foot (or even blow your entire leg off) if you don't know what you're doing...

@jasonbell sounds like you had a fun time then! ^_^

@alex.lynham I also slung in "If you're doing less than a billion rows then may I suggest a single Postgres box and SQL"

well... yes

haha

sounds like a talk I would have enjoyed

My brief from the organisers was simple, "be controversial"

Most people who think they doing "Big Data", aren't doing Big Data 😉 There's a lot you can do with the regular tools that's easier and possibly faster than the BD tools, unless you're really BD

well these days even terabytes of data is possible on consumer hardware

pretty much

so many enterprise vendors make money by going "your data is big, so big, impossibly big, and your problems are difficult, so difficult, harder than any in the sphere of human experience, and that's why you need..."

and generally the people that they're selling to haven't written a line of code in their lives so they're utterly incapable of understanding the domain let alone making a good decision

I mean, it's hard enough to do that if you're a current practitioner ffs

Credit goes to @ben.hammond for sharing this elsewhere... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45913587 Uh, say wat now?!

I thought the LibDems did a good job of reining in the Tory excesses

and were unfairly condemned for it

well, look at what's happened since

He + family are getting out before The Brexit

all the worse for the rest of us

I'd still worry about Betsey DeVos trying to steal my children though

especially if they speak spanish

@ben.hammond Do they speak Spanish?

well his wife is Spanish, so I'm guessing that they do

I suspect they do, but not 100% certain.

and he speaks Dutch as well (just found a video)

thanks to the lib dems we didn't get the snooper's charter on day one, but playing the admittedly somewhat dump counterfactual history game: 1) if they hadn't gone into coalition the tories would not have been able to govern 2) arguably tory win in 2015 would have been less likely 3) fees. fees, fees, fees

just for 3, and the brazen lies the lib dems deserve everything they got imo. I'd never vote for them again... 😛

and extending the hostile environment still happened

yeah good point

they weren't exactly a pillar of liberalism when theresa may's goons were out checking ID documents in piccadilly gardens

😞

Not to mention austerity which they were for on their own terms “Britain needs ‘savage’ cuts, says Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg (2009)“. And accepting benefit cuts in exchange for a plastic bag tax

Lets not forget that no one wanted to have the UK without a government during a global financial crisis. If the LibDems would be criticised fairly for anything, it is believing that the Conservatives would keep their side of the agreements. Its a sad reflection on our society of how easy some people blame a minor partner in government for everything the Conservatives did. If people had listened to the LibDems and voted for proportional representation, instead of being convinced by the Conservatives that it was too confusing for the electorate, there wouldn't be the mess of government we have now. We might even of had more decent politicians in government by now, however, it seems we have the worse in several decades.

well, rasputin got blamed, y'know? people are harder on the kingmaker than the king

but actually iirc there's an actual thing in human social dynamics where groups of people will actively seek to punish say a betrayer, even if the betrayal wasn't the most harmful act

it's like an innate social cohesion thing

okay, now I've got to go see if I can find where I read that...

It often comes down to people wanting to believe the lies they are told because its a safe space to be in (until its too late to do anything about it).

It will be great to spend a few hours tomorrow on the Peoples Vote march to remind me there are people out there who really care about the future of all the people in the UK (whilst our government only seems to care about fracking and private health company proffits).

seems to me that the coalition that we got in 2010 was the only way the numbers could have worked

the only alternative was months of no government folloowed by more elections

i'm baffled at how common 'betray' and 'traittor' seem to have become in every day usage

two words that generally trigger me into losing interest

sign o' the times

well, so less glibly; what else is it than a betrayal to 180 on an election promise? Traitor is nastier imo, because it's less about trust and more about in & out groups... but yeh, both problematic

> sign o' the times the times are tense and the language reflects that

it's pretty scary tbh

also ‘terrorist’

I watched a random thing in cinema recently, MFKZ, I loved how they put a spin on that

During a shootout in a “black” area, a white assassin with a sniper rifle climbs onto a camper van aiming to kill the protagonist; a reporter sees him and says “Oh, another terrorist… no, wait, it’s a lone gunman!”

lol

did you see black klansman? that was brilliant in how it mixed really dark humour with a very serious message

no but even that short description sounds like it’s 100% my thing so it goes on a watch list

…do I want to go to a cinema at 23 though >_>

at 23?

As in, 11pm. Closest cinema shows it at that time.

that was what I guessed you meant but just double checking haha

I’m also on #clojure-europe I’ll have you know 😎

24h ftw!

I thought we were on UGT in this channel 😎

time handling (>_<)ง彡

haaaa

Oh man bst ends soon right

I think a bunch of bugs are heading my way

No. They'll be fixed!

Because time is no longer an hour wrong

^ these guys code

I was coding this morning

I bet British developers create a higher number of time bugs over winter than in summer

I once had a project

where upon discovering misconfigured servers that were in the estate of...a government

which shall not be named

they went away to see if they could correct them for their equivalent of BST vs DST and then came back with, "oh it turns out, we just use x hours offset from GMT all year round"

reminded me of Erik Dietrich's Expert Beginner excuses

what sort of insanity is it that allows a system clock to ever be anything other than UTC? that's on the o/s program managers, surely?

I also had a db server once in the Tokyo time zone where the database helpfully coerced any timestamp without Z at the end into Tokyo time, meaning all our timestamps went out by 8 hours

had to re-import all the client data from scratch

i was on a project that had dates stored as UTC in the database, but was actually GMT/BST in the application. The previous lead developer used to push a commit twice every year to adjust the new times with +1/-1 hour. When we migrated to UTC/UTC in order to support more time zones we had to scratch our heads a bit as some rows of data had timestamps that could either represent 11pm or 12am if made on the eve of the clock change.