Mornin'

o/

I appear to add symbols when I do that when tired

\o -< morning >

good morning

Morning

morning

Good morning all.. In the past a few days we replaced existing logging with log4j 2 in one of our spring projects. Just now, I saw another discussion in the beginners channel related to logging. As per the spring documentation, we need to exclude LogBack while including log4j2. Do we have any prescriptions in clojure world, on how to use logging effectively and also how to watch out for quirks of logging used in legacy code

@manas.marthi we've been using ptaoussanis/timbre, along with slf4j-timbre and the various ->slf4j adapters - which keeps all the log-config in clojure-land, and seems to work ok

Morning everyone

morning

Bore da

+1 for timbre @manas.marthi @mccraigmccraig

doing a class rename in emacs usually isn't too bad (you can automate something using keyboard macros on top of grep)

other refactorings might be trickier

Morning!

oi oi

moaning

@agile_geek totally. Java and Emacs are just a horrible combination.

is it just a battered sausage?

Its always confused me why its called saveloy

@guy those scary red sausages you see in the chippy

is it because i'm a southerner

ohhhh

is that like, Saveloy, the other mystery meat?

i'm a southerner by birth and i'm sure I encountered saveloys even before I moved up north

oh wow they were traditionally made from pig brains 👀

today i learnt

What are they made from now?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saveloy

basically some pork and other stuff

😂

is it red because it's boiled? or is there some colouring in there now?

mmmm braiinnnsss

morning everyone

Never been a fan

Hot dogs either

I used to love saveloy and pease pudding stotties when I first moved to North East! P.S. if you know what I’m talking about you get your Geordie badge.

all sausages are an abomination. That is why they taste so good (I include veggie sausage here too)

What about like pork + apple sausages?

and things like that

abominations

let us not forget black pudding, the most abominably tasty abomination of all

is that also made from pigs brain 👀

🧠 🐷 🧠

no @guy , it's made from blood and fat

I have to say, even tho it sounds gruesome, i'm quite impressed people used to eat practically all the animal

or have some use for it :man-shrugging:

Like if that didn't exist, would people try and invent it nowadays?

black pudding is an essential part of any british breakfast!

living in Scotland has converted me to black pudding

sooooo umami

Have to admit that my uncle owned the local tripe works, so I was accustomed to a variety of organs that are seldom eaten nowadays (perhaps with good reason). As a child, one of my favourite treats was what my mother euphemistically referred to as "Lamb's Fries". It was years before I discovered that she'd been feeding me testicles. :face_with_rolling_eyes:

Black pudding is OK, but I prefer the scottish sliced fat with fruits in stuff. Fruit pudding?

You slice it and fry it like black pudding, but it's got less blood and more sultanas and spices in

ooo that sounds good @carr0t

One of my old colleagues on a work Christmas do had mashed potato and thought it was amazing, asked what the little black flecks were

It was then that we realised the muslim had been chowing down on black pudding... 😕

that sounds like a mince pie, as if it was the normal mince pie filling + meat 👀

oh jeepers

😞

what did u say?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_pudding

"Oh shit"

@mccraigmccraig That's the stuff!

We always pick up a few packs when we go past Tebay services if we're ever up that way

I'm also a fan of white pudding

Ahha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hog%27s_pudding

I wondered why I'd never found that since I left Cornwall

Was amazing. Better than black or white IMO

lolllllll

how do I tell lein to read maven settings file where I configured my company artifactory repo urls?

resolved it

guys what do you use when you want to know where your time went?

I’ve been considering writing something that creates an annoying pop up every 15 minutes and appends whatever I put in the box into a csv along with a timestamp, but maybe someone’s already done that 😄

(livin’ the life at a startup: you wake up at 7pm with a blank stare and the thing you started on in the morning still not done, but a vague feeling that you’ve done a lot of other stuff in the meantime)

@lady3janepl lazier solution, use notify-send to tell you to jrnl

Schedule that notification using cron or a simple loop

I have a thing that does “rest your eyes” popups, but I’ve developed a bad habit of clicking it away

(it always pops up when I’m trying to demonstrate something to someone)

but yeah, it’s something I’ve thought about. having a dialog with a text box removes decisions though, which i would prefer as a behavioural hack.

can i just say

condp is a thing of beauty

https://clojuredocs.org/clojure.core/condp#example-542692d2c026201cdc326f6c <- I needed something that’d test the same value against various predicates, done 🙂

One advise I read from some consultant was to always plan a working day of 4 hours..

The rest of the 4 hours go into interrupts, emails, chat, etc

You seem to be putting more than 8 hours though

that’s because I come in late

I’m on Central line, if I don’t skip rush hour I get squashed in a red tin like a sardine 🙂

4 hour advice seems like a very realistic estimate

(not at work now, just hacking in Clojure for fun)

@lady3janepl There used to be an app for the Mac that tracked how much time you spent in each app (tracking focus of apps). I found that quite useful for giving me some idea of how much time was eaten away by email, chat, etc.

seesaw.