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thomas08:03:30

moin moin morning

mccraigmccraig08:03:35

any cassandra users know of a decent-ish dump/load tool ? i've had enough of opscenter's flakeyness

dominicm08:03:01

low priority, can someone do me a favour? I'm trying to buy Katie's birthday present and the disneyland website has been broken on several occasions, just want to make sure I'm either: 1) doing something stupid 2) running into a bug with plugins or something weird like that https://www.disneylandparis.co.uk => "Parks & Tickets" => "Park Tickets" => "Multi-day" => Pick a day => Does it let you buy anything about it? Any "Add to cart"?

mccraigmccraig08:03:32

uh, i get a TLS error on that site @dominicm

dominicm08:03:19

Apparently the TLS is for www. fixed link.

dominicm08:03:34

They redirect to http anyway, which is... dubious at best.

mccraigmccraig08:03:45

i managed to add-to-cart @dominicm

mccraigmccraig08:03:02

osx/chrome 63.0.3239.132

dominicm08:03:07

ugh. I don't even see the button.

mccraigmccraig08:03:26

the button was the whole selection ... not a separate button

dominicm08:03:31

I click "multi-day" and then I choose a number, and then it's doing nothing.

dominicm08:03:02

So, on step 2 "Select your number of days" does nothing for me.

mccraigmccraig08:03:19

click on the "ticket" thing in step 4, then you get an add-to-cart button

mccraigmccraig08:03:45

i guess their js is a bit flakey

dominicm08:03:26

okay, very different to what I'm seeing then. I wonder if http://browserstack.com will let me go test another browser.... 😛

dominicm08:03:04

I created a new profile, and that has worked. I wonder if do not track breaks it, as chromium doesn't carry across plugins into private mode.

maleghast09:03:37

I can get all the way to "Add to Cart" on Chromium...

dominicm09:03:58

Yeah, looks like something weird in my browser setup is once again breaking the normal internet.

dominicm09:03:04

By normal I mean tracky tracky internet.

maleghast09:03:25

You want a screenshot..?

maleghast09:03:29

(I have one)

dominicm09:03:44

No, that's okay 🙂 I've got it working now. I just needed to know it was possible so I didn't give up.

maleghast09:03:10

I get that 🙂

dominicm09:03:28

😂 I have a bunch of things like that.

chrjs11:03:38

TIL @dominicm buys sweet birthday presents.

dominicm11:03:30

It's her 21st, and she's always wanted to go. I've denied her for years because I hate theme parks, decided I'd make an exception just this once.

maleghast11:03:50

What a fine fellow 🙂

maleghast11:03:53

I am not exactly bursting at the seams with joy about theme parks, but I really unexpectedly enjoyed Disney Land in Tokyo a LOT

dominicm11:03:36

Next year, it's back to socks 😈

maleghast12:03:29

You old smoothy you! 😉

guy14:03:29

I love the fact theres a QR code there

yogidevbear14:03:43

It's to help people find out how I died 😆 Links to my CRITICAL PROCESS DIED log

jonpither14:03:11

I feel like a windows BSOD also today

yogidevbear14:03:27

I'm with you on that one. Started off good with a run this morning and went downhill from there

practicalli-johnny14:03:19

I am now running Ubuntu on Windows 10, it makes Emacs very fast 😀

yogidevbear14:03:02

Wonders whether Ubuntu would work on this laptop hardware

sundarj14:03:21

there's always Xubuntu

yogidevbear14:03:05

Either way, a format and re-install of something is imminent

maleghast15:03:29

(don't forget about Arch, I bet Arch would run on there... 😉 )

practicalli-johnny01:03:35

Canonical helped Microsoft developers Linux subsystem for Windows, the bit that makes Linux run on a Windows Kernel (without going through other layers of the Windows OS as Cygwin and msys2 do). I haven't seen anything for Arch in the Microsoft store, only Ubuntu. As the Ubuntu distribution (installed by just typing bash in a Windows command terminal) is only a minimum install then you can add what ever packages and desktop you wish. If you want to use X applications, you will need to run a separate X server on windows. I do not know how Arch would be installed instead, sorry

dominicm15:03:43

Linux works in most places now tbh 🙂

maleghast15:03:20

Indeed, but some flavours are resource hungry...

dominicm15:03:38

OpenSuse's homepage had some interesting stuff on it when I looked yesterday. Apparently they can build Arch Linux packages using their package manager.

firthh16:03:21

NixOS is clearly where it’s at 😉

yogidevbear16:03:36

Sounds like a very opinionated discussion starting here. Almost as emotive as mechanical keyboards (ducks for cover)

guy16:03:58

:man-shrugging:

guy16:03:26

I’ve always wondered about using a VR headset to do coding with

guy16:03:35

that way you don’t need a screen

guy16:03:44

Maybe even a virtual keyboard too or something

mccraigmccraig16:03:03

if it was a VR headset which laser projects directly on to your retina, that sounds awesome @guy

minimal16:03:14

someone did that in clojure

guy16:03:23

oh yeah? That sounds awesome!

minimal16:03:33

editing the world with the repl in a 3d emacs inside the world

guy16:03:38

Thanks for the link!

maleghast16:03:04

Have you guys seen the Minecraft Mod for managing Docker Containers..?

maleghast16:03:17

That + VR == DevOps heaven?

guy16:03:07

No that sounds interesting 😄

minimal16:03:44

I think I heard of it but never saw it

otfrom16:03:15

mmm... keyboard trousers, VR headset. I wouldn't need my standing desk

guy16:03:39

Did you ever see those controller gloves?

guy16:03:40

I had another idea around coding through the medium of dance as well

guy16:03:55

Get one of those DDR (dance dance revolution) mats and use the inputs as keyboard inputs

guy16:03:34

So you could do different combinations of like up up right for macros or just pre existing stuctures

dominicm17:03:41

@guy someone created a voice language for Dragon for programming... There's a wayland window manager for VR out there that explores physical positioning of Windows in a room-like scenario. You could do it

guy18:03:53

Very cool! I'll check it out

practicalli-johnny18:03:37

@maleghast it's the desktop environment that consumes memory. No difference in resources used between Ubuntu or Arch if you run the same desktop. I've tested this on the same laptop before. I just used Ubuntu and i3 if I need to minimise memory use. Currently running Ubuntu + i3 on an Acer Aspire Revo that has an Intel Atom CPU and it runs very speedily

maleghast18:03:05

I do know that, yeah, but “as it comes” Ubuntu is a lot more hungry ‘cos of Unity etc...

practicalli-johnny00:03:02

You are referring to Ubuntu desktop, which the latest version actually runs Wayland and Gnome by default. Although there is no obligation to run either and a one line purge command would remove from disk. You can also use network install or server versions of Ubuntu Network install gives the same minimal install and customisation as Arch Linux. There are other official and unofficial distributions of Ubuntu that come with various desktop environments of you want something out of the box.

maleghast09:03:48

I stand corrected re the current status quo - the Desktop I got with Ubuntu 16.04 LTS that was pre-installed on my XPS was Unity, hence my thinking on that... If anyone finds Ubuntu useful, good, powerful etc. then I could not be happier, genuinely. I just didn't get on with it so I looked for an alternative. It's unfortunate that the people that genuinely like Ubuntu have to battle the "default linux" effect that its ubiquity has led to a little - the way that a lot of people to this day have only experienced vanilla / as-it-comes Ubuntu and think that it is__ Linux - but I don't have a scrap of negativity for anyone else's choices here, I hope that's clear... This is not a sneery "well I use Arch", this is honestly "I have had a lot of fun and profit out of Arch and you might too, so why not give it a try?" in the manner of an enthusiastic labrador... IIRC, @jr0cket you've had a dance with Arch in the past and didn't like it, I can totally respect that, I wasn't trying to change your mind one bit, I promise... If I was going to proselytise at you it would be about Holy Mode in Spacemacs 😉

practicalli-johnny12:03:38

Spacemacs is my real operating system :)

maleghast12:03:22

I get that 🙂

maleghast18:03:10

I was just taking the opportunity to Arch-evangelise a bit, ‘cos I am really enjoying it ;-)

practicalli-johnny01:03:58

From my experience, it's more effective to evangelise something on its own merits. Otherwise you only speak to the already converted.

Olical09:03:01

I use Arch because it's well documented (the Arch wiki is arguably the best Linux wiki on the internet) and composed of few parts. You don't need to learn much to understand it from the bottom up. This makes it way easier to solve problems if they arise. Distros are definitely a matter of taste though 😄

maleghast09:03:07

@jr0cket - OK, you make a fair point. Arch has, for me, been a revelation in fitting my needs precisely, performance, stability and a general feeling that I know (or increasingly come to know as time passes and I learn lessons) more about how my machine runs and that is pleasing to me. I am totally cool with other people not wanting some or all of those things, and even if there are interests are concurrent, wanting a different delivery of those benefits. I don't understand cars, I mean at all. I can barely change a tyre or fill up my washer bottles. I don't want to understand cars - well that's not true if I had time on my hands and did not need to earn money there are lots of things I would like to learn a lot more about and car maintenance and mechanical engineering are in that box, but... - I just want my car to work. Some people spend all of their spare time tinkering with their car's engine and indeed other mechanical bits (look at me out of my depth - do people do things like DIY suspension lowering?), but based on my allocation of personal resources (time, money, brain-width) I choose to buy / run more modern cars and to have other people fix them... I am the Windows 10 user of car owners / operators, not even Ubuntu... Believe me I get__ that there are different motivations around almost all the decisions that we make about how we use our time, and I am in no way trying to be superior about it, I really really promise. I'm just having a lot of fun and want to be enthusiastic at people. Nonetheless, I'll tone it down a bit...

practicalli-johnny12:03:11

I use Ubuntu because I don't need to read any documentation. I have been using a Debian based system since 1995 though.

dominicm18:03:22

@jr0cket not true alone, ubuntu packages a lot of services by default that most don't need.

dominicm18:03:35

e.g. bluetooth services, pulseaudio, etc.

practicalli-johnny00:03:02

You are referring to Ubuntu desktop, which the latest version actually runs Wayland and Gnome by default. Although there is no obligation to run either and a one line purge command would remove from disk. You can also use network install or server versions of Ubuntu Network install gives the same minimal install and customisation as Arch Linux. There are other official and unofficial distributions of Ubuntu that come with various desktop environments of you want something out of the box.