Clojurians Log v2
clj-yaml
@lee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IA3ZvCkRkQ! It looks like your PR was merged (and our hunch that starting with an issue + PR and not using many words was the right approach for this maintainer!)
(Though I'm more of a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23YkC7Gx1Y4 kinda guy)
And I needed some of those words to clarify what the actual narrow issue in this case actually was 😛
I think it all helped (except my blunt remarks at the start)
pats @borkdude on the shoulder. YAML is infuriating/crazy-making.
Glad it worked out!
It really looked like something different at the start. And finding the root cause made the change make more sense.
I really like your https://bitbucket.org/snakeyaml/snakeyaml/issues/550/regression-in-handling-number-like-strings#comment-64107854 @grzm!
Also thanks for the idea of how to approach submitting the PR/issue @borkdude, I think it really helped.
SnakeYAML is normally released twice a year: August and FebruaryI can respect that. Helps pace the project, you know you get regular updates, keeps the maintainers on track while letting them work on other stuff too. I mean, would you want to worry about YAML 100% of the time?
Yeah but I think it makes sense to host our own fork meanwhile on Clojars
To undo the churn caused by those frequent updates hehe
Ah it seems we might be getting it sooner than expected :)
Awesome sauce!
> I can respect that. Don't get me wrong, I respect that too, I was just lol-sobbing because we just missed the last release window
I wonder what the remaining issue is that Andrey is referring to
I don't know, hope he lets us know!
He replied and is on it. I'm starting to like this guy
He had me at YAML
Trying to give back to Andrey a bit https://bitbucket.org/snakeyaml/snakeyaml/issues/555/snakeyaml-github-actions-failing-for-jdk7.
That is very kind of you. You rule!
Btw, I've been wondering, is there a similar "datetime" problem with what gets emitted for 1.1 and read by 1.2?
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Ya, Andrey hinted at that… I wonder. So YAML 1.1 supports timestamps but YAML 1.2 does not…
that’s right, I think?
$ bb -e '(yaml/generate-string {:foo #inst "2022-09-09"})'
"{foo: !!timestamp '2022-09-09T00:00:00Z'}\n"dunno what's up with this, but if nobody hits that problem, I guess it's fine
Also:
❯ bb -e '(yaml/parse-string "foo: 2022-09-09")'
#ordered/map ([:foo #inst "2022-09-09T00:00:00.000-00:00"])Weird:
❯ bb -e '(yaml/parse-string "foo: 2022-40-40")'
#ordered/map ([:foo #inst "2025-05-10T00:00:00.000-00:00"])I guess we can address if something comes up.
if it looks like a date, it quacks like a date
It’s a date alright, but all quacked up.
at least a date string doesn't get emitted like an un-quoted thing, right? <insert meme of boy and girl where girl says "right?" second time and boy looks frustrated>
Ya was thinking same.
might be good to double check with 1.3.32
1.32 I mean
or wait, that was already in bb ;)
<confused/>
Blame one of the other borks.
will do
I’m a YAML newbie. Maybe @grzm can think of a yaml 1.1 vs 1.2 timestamp issue?
I'm a YAML agnostic.
I didn't even know YAML attempted to do anything with timestamps. I also didn't know there were such crazy subtle gotchas between versions
but now you do right? so are you still an agnostic or do you BELIEVE THAT YAML HELL IS FOR REAL 🔥
Pascal’s YAML’s Wager?
I was thinking of that one too ;)
It's like an index fund right
Wasn’t it Sartre that claimed Hell is YAML?
kinda
Hell is other people's Clojure or just YAML in general
Btw folks, I was just making lame jokes, I hope I didn't offend anyone. I love other's people's clojure.
I love @lee ‘s Java, both because I think it was an elegant, concise solution and that I didn't have to write it :)
Yeah. Andrey did some minor edits I see here: https://bitbucket.org/snakeyaml/snakeyaml/commits/1962a437263348c3b90857cda4bbfa2bd97908f8
And now I realize @borkdude ‘s projects are really just his way of making our Clojure is more like his 😜
Thanks @grzm! It took me a some time to figure out where to inject my, uh, masterpiece. I used to write Java for a living. I almost forgot how!
Yeah I think his edits are good, his naming is probably clearer. I was surprised he made so few changes. I was wondering if he’d be ok with that regex as I don’t think he uses regexes otherwise in that area of his code.
O wait. Snake... YAML.. 👿
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It matched exactly what I was hoping to do, but hadn't yet done the research of where or whether it was feasible in the codebsse
So, thanks :)
My pleasure!
I think the only thing left to do is wrap up your PR @grzm - by the time we finish that, Andrey will probably have published 1.33
The codebsse is pretty logical from what I saw.
Yeah but so many types, eh?
Yeah, but understandable. And it's Java
Ooooo! Noice!
Yeah @grzm, the “types” thing was just me trying to be witty! simple_smile I found my way around without too much difficulty.
More people should join this channel, they would come for the YAML but stay for the excellent jokes.
I thought YAML was the joke.
I couldn't help myself. I think I reached my lame joke climax today https://twitter.com/borkdude/status/1572643607324069888
I ask for forgiveness and hope tomorrow is a better day
Repent, and sin no more.
One more idea though: a SnakeYAML PR which turns everything from camelCase to snake_case... Might be a good 1 April prank ;)
ouch... https://twitter.com/ybaroj/status/1572646993419468800
I think Andrey’s opinion was that https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/issues/32221#issuecomment-1237882892.
This is encouraging: https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/issues/32221#issuecomment-1238021832
Yeah saw that, he seems to have taken quite a few hits of late and is shown to be generally trying to help out there!
Yeah, agreed
I mean it doesn’t take much negative energy for me to say, “blech, maybe not”, when trying to help out. Looks like he has some real tenacity.
https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/pull/32464/files might be worth studying someday.
I mean… like… if we were really into YAML or something…
I was just going to post that link and was going to say almost the exact same thing as you, but then I thought: ah well, lread has already done something similar, I guess ;)
I dunno about that… but I think our solution (snakeyaml numberish PR) might be better for us at this point in time… based on what we currently understand… or don’t understand…
yes, as long as things just keep working and we can stay ignorant of any edge cases, this seems best
in the comfortable dream world between YAML hell and EDN heaven
it’s trippy… I can’t feel my hands… where am I?
your hands are numb of whitespace indentation lread, take a break
beat me to it!
Thanks. I think the community does a great job of attracting great people and reinforcing great, productive behavior. I'm happy to be a part of it!
Yeah, the Clojure community sets a good example. I reinforces treating others with equanimity and respect. Which seems like a simple thing, right? But maybe not so easy for everyone?
I agree