inf-clojure 2.0.1 is out!

https://github.com/clojure-emacs/inf-clojure/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md <-- is this up to date?

In a blog post on Kotlin, Steve Yegge: The IDE support for pretty much every other JVM or Android language (besides Java) tends to be bolted on by a couple of community volunteers. And later: Of course, I always need to switch over to Emacs to get real work done. There’s some more bits on Emacs, the blog post is here: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/why-kotlin-is-better-than-whatever-dumb.html

how would one make money from professional clojure ide to finance it's development?

Maybe ask the Cursive guy 🙂

What if we create an OpenCollective for Emacs tooling for Clojure? I have been so frustrated here when my colleagues dismissed Clojure because: the repl does not start/ I have to know how to install too many (java) dependencies/ The ide sucks (not everybody uses Emacs unfortunately)

isn't that what clojure-emacs is on github?

Yes but I mean this: https://opencollective.com/lumo

sounds nice

however, iirc Bozhidar already tried these things and has a pretty negative view on the amount of money that you can get from donations..

yeah they haven't made much i don't believe

@richiardiandrea IMO because it’s never done right. Someone needs to start a campaign or something. People say it just doesn’t work for open-source projects, but sometimes it does. Good example would be redux.js. Things like CIDER, Lumo (bunch of other Clojure(script)) projects could use some sponsorship, we need them to be backed up by companies.

In general I think that’s what’s blocking Clojure from becoming largely successful and more mainstream. Maybe it’s possible to find companies interested in improving Leiningen and Boot, CIDER and Cursive, Lumo and Planck, Om.Next and Reagent. But how would they even know that we have that problem?

if nobody talks to the people that can make those decisions

Lumo is getting backed up now, not big amounts, but I like OpenCollective because it shows transparency

true that

So, lets hypothetically say: if I’m a principal engineer or a CTO, and I would go to my CEO and say: “Hey can we become patrons of xyz project?“, and how would I explain the point? What we gain from doing that as a company? What’s the return of investment, etc. would be

Right so the return of investment can be debated with the maintainer

probably we don't have a platform to do that at the moment, good point

I think the heart of the problem is that companies who decide to support open-source make a “Xerox Park move”, but on a micro scale. There’s no measurable ROI. It’s a small investment that goes towards improving the longer term. Then you can watch just about any Alan Kay talk and understand why this almost never happens in practice, he talks about that constantly