If I use a BigDecimal literal 3.14M in .cljc, what does that compile to in JS?

@bostonaholic: https://github.com/clojure/clojurescript/blob/master/src/main/clojure/cljs/compiler.cljc#L207-L222

awesome, thanks!

hey everyone... @dnolen any idea if clojurescript might target webassembly?

@macromancer: please don’t direct questions at me - just ask the channel

ok cool

and no plans to target web assembly anytime soon

currently the value propositions are non-existent

right

I honestly don’t ever see them swinging in favor of web assembly

as JS engines keep getting faster

and forthcoming JS features like enhanced numerics may address perf and semantic issues

right, i guess the extra leap in code translation isn't that much of burden anymore.

ok

has anyone looked at A-Frame for VR: https://aframe.io/

wondering how it might be used with cljs

@macromancer: the best results for interpreters & JIT in webasm (er asm.js) seem to be like >4X slower or something

whereas with JSC today we’re like 1.5X of the JVM.

@dnolen yeah, its quite incredible.

@meow: nope, but it looks fun

I know, right!

@meow: Hoplon + A-Frame would be pretty cool.

hi guys, in chrome dev how do we use (clj->js <var>) to convert clojure data structure back to js, it's a bit easier to debug this way.

ah ok, I find it in cljs.core.clj__GT_js

If it's about debugging then try - https://github.com/binaryage/cljs-devtools

It helps a lot.

that thing looks magic 😄 THanks . I will try it out xD

You just have to have recent enough Chrome, but I think 47 is already stable, right?

I use Canary so I think it would work fine

Yup, you just need to enable them in the settings. In older versions you had to do the magic 5xshift secret dev experiments trick.

But by now it's been mainlined.

He's also working on something even more awesome - https://github.com/binaryage/dirac - but I didn't yet try this since it seems to require lein and figwheel.

#C0J01U7MY

ok it seems perfect, I use lein and figwheel btw

So you should probably be able to use it as is.

I'm a boot person, so I would probably have to port the figwheel-dependent part first, but didn't have time yet.

Because it looks so great ❤️

Also oh, there's a channel for that. Gonna lurk it.

hmm, I have things format nicely when I log it from nRepl, it's nicely formatted. But in browser it doesn't and the variable in my scope is not nicely format either T_T

Sablono mentions that I should be able to "Use the React dependencies from one of the ClojureScript wrappers” … is there a way to declare that I want to use the deps from a lib listed in my dependencies (in this case React)?

Not sure what you mean? As long as you have React from cljsjs in your dependencies sablono or reagent or somesuch should just "pick it up" on their own.

you mean you list React dependencies in you project.clj?

The Sablono readme seems to imply that you don’t have to if you use a React wrapper.

Yeah, for example:

[reagent "0.5.1" :exclusions [cljsjs/react]]
[cljsjs/react-with-addons "0.13.3-0"]

@jaen: ha ! put the required command to code then things work as expected 😄 Nicely format stuff for happy debugging time xD

What sablono means is it will just use what you provided for the React wrapper.

And one more thing

If you don't need addons, like I do

then just [reagent "0.5.1"] without the exclusion and additional dependency

Should also just work.

@nxqd: yup. First time I cam across that library I was all like rainbows and unicorns. It really makes debugging Clojurescript in the browser almost painless.

hmm… okay, so maybe because Sablono requires react.dom and react.dom.server, means that I have to use exclusions?

Uh, maybe I'm explaining it confusingly.

Basically

I’m assuming Om doesn’t include react.dom and react.dom.server

but, it does include plain old react

Hmm, I don't use om

But it seems to include what you need as well

It's just docs that are not updated

If you look at project.clj it's there

https://github.com/omcljs/om/blob/master/project.clj#L15-L16

So the rule of thumb is

If you don't need React with addons

You already get it in dependencies, no need to do anything.

@mudphone: Om includes react.dom but not react.dom.server

ah, okay

Sablono or kioo or what have you will just pick it up.

but, it does need react.dom.server

yeah, what @juhoteperi said

Ah, yes.

If sablono needs that, then you need to include it manually it seems.

thanks

@cjmurphy: I did change the order I start them (test dev), then I changed the order in which they are in the project. Nothing works. It seems that the repl will conect to whichever compiles last

@cjmurphy: Dan-Bunea:vr danbunea$ rlwrap lein figwheel testguidelines devguidelines Figwheel: Starting server at http://localhost:3449 Figwheel: Watching build - devguidelines Compiling "resources/public/js/compiled/vr.guidelines.js" from ["src"]... Successfully compiled "resources/public/js/compiled/vr.guidelines.js" in 3.032 seconds. Figwheel: Watching build - testguidelines Compiling "resources/public/js/test/test.guidelines.js" from ["src" "test"]... Successfully compiled "resources/public/js/test/test.guidelines.js" in 2.829 seconds. Figwheel: Starting CSS Watcher for paths ["resources/public/css"] Launching ClojureScript REPL for build: testguidelines

sorry, first

and for some reason, tests get compiled faster

@danbunea Yes sorry I was just quickly guessing at things to try. Any reason you can't just have two lein OS consoles each doing what you want? You can use lein for a particular task either from the command line or from a repl you interact with.

@cjmurphy: I now start dev only

and from it I also start test

which seems to work ok

just an extra step

(start-autobuild testguidelines)

after the repl starts

thanks

Glad you got something working. You could probably get it working exactly as you want, so with no extra steps. I'm pretty sure you could do the autobuilding from the command line, so permanently happening in a separate console. That is what I do for instance when auto-compiling garden.

Maybe whatever you do there's an 'extra step'.

@bensu: thanks for the suggestion re: doo, looks promising

If you are within the UK, around London i am seeking a tutor who can devote at least twice a week to helping me get through Clojure/ClojureScript. Also I am working on my final year project. I need maybe 2-3hours each day until 1st week of April. Name your rate/hour pls. Thanks.

Anyone please point me to some examples of how to use d3.js with clojurescript.

hi @dnolen are you still maintaining mori, seems lot of issues and PRs are no addressed

it's a really great lib, i’m really enjoy that i can using clj datastructure in vanilla js

What are the rules for using int. characters like æøå in defs etc

It seems to be alright when I inject the code using figwheel, but as soon as I reload the page, I get Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token ILLEGAL

figwheel doesn't load wrong code. Maybe that's the reason. Also check the differences between main and figwheel reload functions

@jcouyang: I’m too busy to deal Mori - happy to see someone else take it over.

@kiranmysore: also ask on #C0F0V8DT5

@grav: someone else was discussing i18 stuff but can't remember where I saw that

lots of channels

@dnolen: i’m very happy to contribute and maintain it if you like, do you have any plan for the future of mori

@jcouyang: nope, I haven’t really thought about it at all

it became lower priority for me after Immutable.js

i still like the clj api over immutablejs

@dnolen: can you add me to collaborator, or someone interesting in it, i’m really like to keep this cool project alive

@jcouyang: at this time not looking for collaborators - eventually I’ll figure out what to do with it.

just not a priority for me

bummer

@jcouyang: did you only want to collaborate or take it over

@dnolen: thought you said happy to see someone else take it over

@meow: I didn’t say when, and “someone” doesn’t necessarily mean anyone

ah, I see

one can always fork it into moria.js or something

I like the name!

hello everyone, Any advices on finding a remote job around clojure(script)?

@pbaille: maybe see #C05006WDW

thank you nha

also #C06B40HMY

@kiranmysore: notes regarding Reagent and stateful js components (D3) can be found here: https://github.com/Day8/re-frame/wiki/Using-Stateful-JS-Components

#C0J9ENAMS

@jcouyang: let's talk about what to do next

anytime

Wow, this looks like the ideal foundation for a cljs based react-alternative https://github.com/google/incremental-dom

@martinklepsch: it’s interesting but I’m not holding my breath - it’s too DOM-centric

@martinklepsch: sebastian markbage had some thoughts about it when it came out. something about solving the wrong problem

also React is supposedly dropping the junk it puts into the DOM which was always kind of busted

this means you can use whatever you want to generate DOM

i.e. Aaron Rohner’s talk from Clojure/conj

"ethe junk it puts into the DOM"?

yes all the generated stuff it uses to handle diffing

that’s going away

IMO, what we should be shooting for once that lands is Google Closure Soy template performance server side

https://github.com/codahale/soy-clj#performance

Agree that centeredness on DOM might be a bit short-sighted. However given that they're trying to blend the borders between web & native anyways.

and when and where did incremental-dom get announced? Any twitter accounts that should be followed?

https://twitter.com/cramforce?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Malte Ubl - he used to work on Closure compiler

he’s the one actually pointed us at the CommonJS & AMD transforms as well before GSoC started

Related to incremental-dom cljsjs package, they seem to be using goog.module definitions instead of goog.provide, and this reportedly doesn't work with ClojureScript.

right somebody may need submit patches for accepting other kinds of Closure compatible modules

hah, ex-berliner also I think 😛

yes

Just wondering if there is any known issue with goog.net.WebSocket when compiled under :whitespace or :advanced mode...

@darwin not aware of anything

thanks, will debug it further, I’m using this tiny wrapper, the problem might be there: https://github.com/tomjakubowski/weasel/blob/master/src/cljs/weasel/impls/websocket.cljs

also I don’t quite understand why they use () in interop calls: https://github.com/tomjakubowski/weasel/blob/master/src/cljs/weasel/impls/websocket.cljs#L28

and here: https://github.com/tomjakubowski/weasel/blob/master/src/cljs/weasel/impls/websocket.cljs#L41

@darwin those don’t really matter

(.foo x) (.foo x ()) equivalent

the problem is lines 43-51 - that’s not going to work

I mean clearly not going to pass muster with advanced compilation

makes sense, that is why my server receives connection, but my client does not hear back

under advanced

thanks

that was it, using the direct goog.net.WebSocket API works

@juhoteperi: FYI a colleague of mine has packaged incremental-dom for cljs, and done some more experiments with it, i think he's planning on making that public

@ragge: https://github.com/cljsjs/packages/pull/361