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thomas07:07:41

anyone had a look at this yet: https://github.com/gnl/ghostwheel

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guy08:07:20

it looks cool but i’ve only just started understanding spec 😞 so it feels like a big chore to go learn something new

otfrom08:07:07

@thomas other than a quick look at the readme, no.

otfrom08:07:24

I'm not a massive fan of new macros like that, but it looks pretty cool otherwise

thomas08:07:40

same here @otfrom , looks quite interesting though I think.

guy08:07:49

Morning!

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alexlynham09:07:35

morrrrrrrning

alexlynham09:07:33

on the whole, cljs is a great thing but there's definitely a few things like repl that... I can't quite put my finger on why, seem more painful in that world

alexlynham09:07:58

(#alexsprecoffeemorningthoughts)

alexlynham09:07:32

been doing more with this cljs serverless stuff, and I've still not fully found a dev workflow I'm happy with. Time to deployment is crrrraaaaazzzzzyyyy fast now though

dominicm09:07:48

How does ions look to you?

dominicm09:07:07

I've been wondering about building a clone for non datomic users.

alexlynham10:07:27

sorry I'm probably being thick...

dominicm10:07:18

Datomic Ions!

dominicm10:07:22

Oh boy, you're in for a treat.

dominicm10:07:34

Datomic released a serverless framework, you use lambdas and JVM clojure.

alexlynham15:07:47

oh, kind of looks cool, but seems like quite a bit of magic

alexlynham15:07:03

I don't really want to get locked into using datomic tbh

alexlynham15:07:24

kind of want to make a compojure-style backend that's free to me because it falls under the lambda free tier troll

dominicm15:07:28

I want datomic ions without datomic. just ions.

alexlynham09:07:11

you basically move from maybe a minimum of three envs - local/test, dev and prod to just local/test and a continuously deployed prod

otfrom09:07:02

is this where we start the YMCA dance?

thomas09:07:17

I heard that song yesterday while we were at the beach! 🎵

3Jane09:07:50

I am only doing a dance of any kind in a fully air conditioned studio

otfrom09:07:16

I had to move to an air conditioned country.

bronsa09:07:36

i'm in italy for a week and it's hell on earth

Aleksander09:07:22

morning everyone!

3Jane09:07:29

@otfrom but I moved to the UK for this purpose. I feel like queueing up for a polite expression of protest somewhere

otfrom09:07:06

oh dear, oh dear. One mustn't complain. Just grumble a bit under your breath and then don't come back (if you are in the South East, anyway)

otfrom09:07:25

a protest, polite or otherwise, just isn't really on

otfrom09:07:56

you could go all Danny Dyer, call the weather a slag and punch it.

otfrom09:07:14

(slag is gender neutral for Mr Dyer apparently)

mccraigmccraig09:07:49

i wonder if there are any weather conditions brits don't whinge about ? (grumble sounds far too dignified)

otfrom09:07:16

@mccraigmccraig whinging is fine too

otfrom09:07:39

I think the difference between whinging/grumbling and complaining is that with a complaint you expect something to actually change

otfrom09:07:10

whinging/grumbling/moaning are all OK

otfrom09:07:14

complaining is right out

mccraigmccraig09:07:00

there's a catch-22 here though - this is why brits don't complain much - they pessimistically don't expect anything to change!

otfrom09:07:03

but again, this is all deeply middle class and southern (and SE at htat)

otfrom09:07:32

I thought it was a desire on the part of the middle classes to avoid conflict

otfrom09:07:55

I'm enjoying learning a completely new set of rules in Scotland (the difference between the North and London was huge too)

otfrom09:07:32

and I would say there is a big difference between Liverpool, MCR/Leeds, and Newcastle

thomas09:07:43

@otfrom that is why I always claimed that I know what it is like to live in the (south of) England... no idea what it is like to live in Britain (I guess very few people actually do)

otfrom09:07:01

I would say that people in Yorkshire often complain and expect something to happen about it.

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otfrom09:07:11

they do whinge about the weather and southerners though

3Jane09:07:12

yes but you see I’m riding the millenial wave

3Jane09:07:44

(slightly too old for that but let’s overlook it)

3Jane09:07:14

you are expected to protest, en-masse, as an expression of your individuality.

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3Jane09:07:19

just politely.

3Jane09:07:53

(also, yes, it’s interesting to observe politeness rules changing not just country by country, but also region by region)

3Jane10:07:06

(I don’t think people outside of uk appreciate just how varied the country is)

alexlynham10:07:23

fwiw I'm not complaining about the weather and never want it to end

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alexlynham10:07:09

rain < sun (and damn the context, man!)

agile_geek12:07:56

as the pasty red head with no melanin in my body, me no like sun… ahhhh it burns

agile_geek12:07:40

thinks he may be related to Golem… precious

mccraigmccraig12:07:56

put a hat on and wear long linen sleeves!

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otfrom13:07:26

FEAR TEH EVIL DAY STAR!

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alexlynham15:07:14

I've only just realised that your avatar isn't wearing a santa hat @U05390U2P

otfrom15:07:18

he is red and white just like Santa tho. There is more snow on the roof nowadays...

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otfrom15:07:32

me runs, ducks, and hides.

agile_geek15:07:04

If I’m left out in the sun I’m just red!

agile_geek15:07:31

@otfrom almost as much snow as in your beard mate!

otfrom15:07:29

fair bit of snow on this roof too

dominicm11:07:19

23c > 28c > rain

guy11:07:11

next will probably be snow then back to 23c

thomas12:07:36

I remember we had hail a few years back in August 😱

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agile_geek12:07:55

So the more important question about the weather is this, what do people in countries with more predictable ‘continental’ weather systems talk about to taxi drivers?

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firthh12:07:59

When I was in Malta the taxi driver started talking to me about Brexit 😛

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thomas12:07:06

:rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

bronsa12:07:56

in north Italy hailstorms in the summer aren't that uncommon, the elevated temperature + high humidity and low precipitations make for some scary storms

mccraigmccraig12:07:11

a thunderstorm almost did for me once, whilst climbing in the dolomites

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otfrom13:07:43

I do miss weather sometimes

otfrom13:07:59

mother nature so rarely tries to kill me here unless I try really hard

thomas13:07:31

try harder.... and you might succeed one day 😉

jasonbell13:07:12

@otfrom Limavegas hit ohbejeeeeeeziz levels of cold yesterday.

otfrom13:07:49

the coldest I've been walking in is -40C. The coldest I've been camping in is -15C.

otfrom13:07:01

how cold was it in NI in July yesterday?

otfrom13:07:33

(the coldest I've ever felt was in a flat with no central heating and 4 meter high ceilings in York)

jasonbell13:07:38

15C it was practically half of what it had been.

jasonbell13:07:00

It was a relief to be honest, it's too flipping hot again.

otfrom13:07:10

27ish in London today apparently

otfrom13:07:30

cool winds off the sea are keeping the temps down in Dundee

otfrom13:07:51

but the land of jam, jute, and journalism is very far away today

jasonbell13:07:23

24.3 feels positively normal

thomas13:07:34

27 here in Rotterdam as well

yogidevbear13:07:52

27 in Horsham too

yogidevbear13:07:58

Was about 30 over the weekend

dominicm14:07:14

Clojure giveth, and terraform taketh away https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/compiling.png

otfrom14:07:08

just replace compiling with "running generative tests"

thomas15:07:54

Testing is the new compiling? @otfrom

otfrom15:07:45

or "my docker image is building/downloading/starting"

thomas15:07:19

or running a mvn clean and it downloads everything from the internet...

alexlynham15:07:35

I think I have a hacked version of that image on my old work laptop with docker subbed in