Morning

mornin

Morning 🚆

Morning

Morning.

drat @yogidevbear got it today. 😉

morning

hi @thomas I swear I was part of the channel before!

morning everyone 🙂

morning

Morning everyone - from Arch!

🙂

morning

Any Archies out there prepared to share easy-to-follow guides to setting up wireless networking connections to be more convenient than:

ip link set dev [devname] up
wpa_supplicant -B -i [devname] -c /path/to/config
dhcpcd [devname]

nice one @maleghast

thanks

i am enjoying it much more than Ubuntu already, even with the overhead / learning curve

I use netctl-auto, if that helps

and i've only burned a day

thx, will Google it

there's a good article on archwiki, iirc

I am loving Arch, I am not loving__ the wiki

there's a lot of information, but a severe lack of "howto" type articles that take you in one page from "I need..." to "Yay it works!"

newbie corner is usually pretty good (even after using it for a few years!)

There's a place on the ArchWiki called Newbie Corner?

not sure if it's on archwiki or just a related forum

That's kinda what I am talking about... The Arch project desperately needs an IA to sort out there knowledge store... I've been reading the Wiki on and off for about a year getting ready for this change and intensively for 2 days and I had no idea that there was a Newbie Corner

NetworkManager might be worth a shot, as well, given you're using KDE

might be quicker to configure, has a GUI, etc

OK, will look at that too - I tried to just use the KDE System Settings stuff, but it's not got any functionality to create connections, just work on them once they are created.

yeah, just re-reading the above. good once it's all working, but strewth, there's a lot to figure out 😕

hehe

Quick question, do I need to kill my current connection to make a new one with NetworkManager?

i.e. I have a Wireless network connection at the moment, hence talking to you, but if I try and create another one on the same WiFi network...

(I also realise that I have no idea how to kill my wpa_supplicant / dhcpcd based connection without powering off)

idk, I'm afraid 😕

with netctl, it manages the different connection profiles, so I run something like sudo netctl switch-to <new-profile>

No worries 🙂 I've installed NetworkManager and I already had the Plasma plugin (plasma-nm), so now it's just a case of figuring out how to run it..

there's always the nuclear option of ifconfig <network-interface> down, then maybe NM will start it back up if it can see that it's down? just a guess, YMMV

fingers crossed

I personally use wicd

and not worry about having to configure anything

@bronsa - Is that on Arch?

I am currently rebooting as NetworkManager is all installed and started but it can’t seem to deal the deal with connecting to my WiFi

yes

i’ve always found networkmanager to be unnecessary complex

and unstable

but I haven’t used it in a few years

I am wondering if it’s ‘cos I didn’t kill my wpa_supplicant connection down first

Yeah, that looks like it was it - totally stable, lovely Wifi connection now.

Argh, it's late Friday and my brain is melting

What's a nice threaded way of returning nil if a map doesn't contain a specific key

i.e. I have a single may that goes through several update operations in a thread, then finally if key X has been set to nil by one of the updates, I want to return nil overall instead of the map

@carr0t - I like the usage / idea, but i've never done that, so I am afraid I have no idea... I am going to watch to see how people suggest solving it, though, so thanks 🙂

Frustratingly, I know we've done it before but I can't find the example now

It may have just been an additional function we call in the thread

Do you mean like with some-> ?

maybe as->, if you want to stay in the thread?

something like (-> {:a 1 :b 2} (...) (...) (as-> m (when (contains? m :c) m)))

FYI looks like http://onthemarket.com in Ldn is looking for people. I got two emails today already from recruiters.

raises eyebrow

@thomas - Are they growing or do they treat their people badly..?

no idea.... the email I got suggested they are growing. I went there for an interview quite a few years ago. Looked like a good organisation. The juxt folks started the Clojure project there several years ago.

Yup was there..

Had a good year, built some good things I believe.

@thomas - Yeah I know that the Juxt guys got the ball rolling, but I also know that they are not involved anymore and i was wondering if the hiring was because they now treat their devs badly and so people leave or whether or not they were growing; makes a big difference as to whether or not it's a good prospect... 😉

(kinda academic as I am not looking to change jobs right now, but you never know...)

let's see if it actually turns into something that makes my design cleaner tho 😉

what was the learning @otfrom?

Just the basics really. Trying to get my head around mult, reduce, and when channels close.