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Mornin' Europe đ
You know that feeling when someone wants to book yet another meeting with you where 6 different non-technical people (mostly boomers) want to discuss how the hypothetical user interface of the web app youâre building should really workâŚ
Sorry, I know I shouldnât generalise. My dad is a boomer and he is (was) a programmer too ;-)
these people are researchers who have actual expertise in linguistics who could do something valuable with it, but they insist on using their precious time to delay my work. Itâs the definition of bikeshedding.
Sounds frustrating. Maybe you can forward them to something like figma or framer and have them communicate a more fully fleshed out UI/UX?
they should deliver me some content, that is their job, not backseat driving my job.
besides, I dontâ use figma or any tool like that. I am a full-stack one-mand-band.
maybe you can present them with a design and just say this is how it is going to work?
It is usually quite liberating to be in charge of literally everything, but when third parties want to micromanage you while youâre doing your work it quickly becomes stressful, since you suddenly go from 0 managers to N. As for being an actual one-man band⌠Iâm sure they would feel stressed being in a similar situation đ
If theyâre the ones who will be using that app, I would think their input would be extremely valuable.
(If they truly are a 3rd, unrelated party, I would probably consider just saying, âno.â)
Even if theyâre poor at communicated about the app, I would think they would have a ton of nuggets of information to dig out.
They are free to email me their input (and believe me they do). Itâs having to physically attend meetings for several hours at a time solely devoted to bikeshedding my work that Iâm trying to avoid đ
Any suggestions for an InfoSec company for pentests and such? I've been recommended HackerOne but it's the first time I can't make a sales person talk to me đ¤ˇ
We use HackerOne. I am not sure I would call them pentest company. If I understand it correctly, they just enable hackers to try to break your app. They don't do an organized pentest where they would scan your app for vulnerabilities and such. But I am not really involved in that. Still useful for us.
@U07QKGF9P might help you out - listen to podcasts with him here https://clojurescriptpodcast.com/
@U7PBP4UVA I can throw in https://www.redteam-pentesting.de/en/-seeing-your-network-from-the-attackers-perspective (located in Germany). They don't have the fanciest Website, but they do find security issues in apps (web, desktop and mobile).
Thanks @U1Z4D5SSV!
we've been using sec-1, which got bought out by clara and is now rebranded "claranet cyber security" - we've been happy with them
I don't really know, I'll have to ask our compliance people. If you have recommendations I wouldn't object
I can't recall off the top of my head the name of the company that we have used in the past, but I've asked someone - waiting on their reply.
Some companies will only use those that are in the same geographic area (for legal reasons)
@potetm Their input is surely valuable, but they have had 2 years to provide me with input and settle requirements. Now I only have time left to implement. There is little value in being called into yet another meeting where they can further bikeshed my work. Itâs a question of priorities and scheduling. They donât understand that I canât both crunch to finish things in time and also redevelop minor stuff all the time.
I realize Iâm very ignorant about your situation, but offhand it seems like the problem might be the projected timeline, and your frustration about meetings is a symptom.
> They donât understand that I canât both crunch to finish things in time and also redevelop minor stuff all the time Right, thereâs an understanding gap.
The timeline is an issue, but itâs also a case of the others in the group being linguists and several of them 70+ years old
Iâm not embedded into a Scrum team or anything like that. Itâs just me and this group of linguists.
I dunno. I love the tangents old people go on â hearing their stories, confusion with modern stuff.
hahaha⌠this group spends hours in the meetings that are supposedly about the UI discussing the intricacies of various pieces of archival material about Danish linguists from the 1930s. Theyâre serious nerds about this stuff. I love hearing all this stuff too. Itâs just when that they donât want to treat this like a software project even thought the only delivery is a piece of software.
Really, my only helpful question is: Would you be stressed if there was a mutual understanding that these conversations are good and they cost money and time?
I would certainly prefer to have a UX designer serving as a middleman to mediate user input vs. technical feasibility⌠but there is no money for that.
these people arenât paying the bill, but theyâre the de facto âproduct managersâ
They have literally no leverage. I am the only one who can make the delivery since I am the only developer on this project.
Itâs fine, just some days the amount of micromanagement and/or lack of encouragement can be a bit of a downer. There is very little recognition of the work I have done since no one here understands what it is I do. But then weeks go by at a time where I am basically just doing my own thing with no stand-ups or anything like that to interfere and then itâs kinda nice.
They are free to email me their input (and believe me they do). Itâs having to physically attend meetings for several hours at a time solely devoted to bikeshedding my work that Iâm trying to avoid đ
I can offer a Greek one: where the many roosters sing, the dawn is late⌠or something along those lines đđ
âViele KĂśche verderben den Breiâ - many cooks will spoil the mash
âSchuster bleib bei deinem Leistenâ - cobbler, stay at your stretcher.