Clojurians Log v2

i'm having great fun i must say ... I like to have vertical organisation in my code, per feature rather than per layer. So i've been a naughty boy and started messing around inside the app-definition, easy enough with keechma =)

that's for the database backup feature, well insulated from the rest of the code

Though ui will stay well apart i think

I really like that i can just do it the way i want

Nice! I like seeing these new ideas :)

if i want to make a state machine, should i start from the tasks out of toolbox ?

seems like kinda yes and kinda no

and i don't quite understand it really

Although this code path is not active in the app, I have a fsm implemented here https://github.com/retro/protok-frontend/tree/master/src/protok/ui/editor

i'll inspect that, i want the interface (or really api) to be easy as can be

I've started implementing something similar to illustrator's ui (much simpler though)

hum what's the end goal ?

oh you have sample usage of the tasks in this project

I wanted to build a prototyping tool to document app flows

So I wanted draggable elements, selection and stuff like that

that's a lot of work

Yeah, and fun too, but I pivoted to automatic layout engine

you mean that it'll draw the graph on its own ?

Yeah, there is a JS version of Eclipse layout kernel that I used

ahyes nice stuff, didn't know about it

their example layout is impressive =)

i've been using your devtool to understand different parts of keechma, but i never actually tried it

what's the status on that one ?

I should fix a few bugs, but it's in working-ish state

I just have to figure out a few things to make it more usable

Because it's very chatty at the moment

at the present time i don't feel i need it, but if you say i should try it i will

I'll try to fix these bugs and make a new release, so you can try it out

hey i don't want to put work on you.

Nah, I promised I would fix it for the guys in my company too :)

ah =)

It's just crazy with work so I never find time

and here i am eating more of your time... i'll go and inspect your state machine

No problem, I'm waiting for the food to arrive

i think i have the hang of things now... I won't be bothering you as much in the future

you know i think keechma is under-rated

Well, I'm always happy to hear from people that use keechma :)

there might be something to do about documentation

you couldn't spend so much time as you did with me if it suddenly got popular

Ah, yeah I have a huge list of things to document

I'm just not sure what would be the best format

you have so many examples on github, that's a good thing

but it's hard to a newcomer to see if that's new style or old style

I was there at the very beginning of re-frame, and i think what made it so popular is that landing page on github

Yeah, I'm still coming up with patterns around best usage, maybe I should just record a two hour video of me rambling about keechma

it would be great to see you do a simple web app from the start

see your workflow

the fulcro guy (not sure about his name) has a great series on youtube

where he starts from first principles even doing bad things, then shows how to fix it

I'll check that fulcro series

hahah we all do search for simple things

i watched your talks and the one from your coworker ... too bad that was the same talk !

i think you conveyed the why in a good manner

but i was left craving for a more hands-on experience

Yeah, that makes sense

then again you can't write a whole app in front of the audience in 20mins

I think that a two day workshop would be a right format

That would give enough time to touch on all parts / patterns

i have these 2 projects to finish, but i'll try to put my take on the thing somewhere on github at some point

Awesome

i mean my "patterns"

in a fullstack app