Clojurians Log v2

Hi @delon!

I think I saw you on linkedin, no?

Yes

Are you new to Clojurians slack?

No we chatted a little earlier

ah sorry 🙂

No worries

A ruby binding would be great

Have you done FFI stuff in Ruby before?

I forked the repo so we'll see what my time looks like. But, it seems like it should be pretty straight forward

Yes, I've done a little

yeah, look at the python, perl, raku and rust subdirs

I think Fiddle is the tool we'll want to use in this case

they all have working bindings

Yeah, I was looking at the python implementation

we just have one API call load ruby-obj = yamlscript.load(ys-string)

the libyamlscript function returns json with either a data key or error key

I see

the error message is in error.cause throw that if you get it

throw an error is anything but data or error comes back

super easy

Yeah, that makes sense

submit a PR to the https://github.com/yaml/yamlscript and I'll release it to rubygems.

when we make changes to YS we release the shared lib and all bindings at same time

I should have a little time over the weekend to dig into it

oh... you need to bind to an exact libyamlscript.so.0.1.x version

put a line like

YAMLSCRIPT_VERSION = '0.1.42'

ping me if you need anything! thanks again 🙂

Will do. Thanks for a cool project!

you bet! stoked that you like it

It's another layer of Clojure's Lispy subversion

Since you know clojure well (I assume) my clojure code (under core libyamlscript and ys dirs) really needs review

I'm just not that good at clojure yet

No worries your perl magic and probably programming magic generally is much better than mine 🐫 😄

any clojure related PRs welcome 🙂

My Clojure experience is mostly around trying to implement more subversive versions of the system hence why lingy and yamlscript interest me. 🙂

me too

So we're the perfect pair 😂

I've only worked on a few solo projects for pay

well I'm interested in using Clojure to spread cool ideas from Clojure to 42 languages

Yeah, I like that too

I've long been a fan of Acmeism

You got my imagination going with that a long time ago

well I'm also trying to figure out a business around YAML and YS. YAML LLC is my company. But haven't really started anything yet...

Got it

huh, wow. no idea how people find out about acmeism

that's quite a surprise!

I could see it as a cool devops tool, but I'm sure you've already thought of that

lots of thoughts... I want to start trying out YS in places where YAML already is used but has struggles

A lot of Clojurians like to see everything as Clojure. I don't, but I think Clojure is gold. And my hope is that YS ushers in a whole new crowd to Clojure.

That'd be cool

One other thought is maybe an Acmeist build tool, dependency management tool or both. We have too many of them in different languages.

I'm working on that right now!

Awesome!

Soon you'll be able to write a new library in YS, compile to shared lib, and instantly ship bindings to 42 langs

That's pretty cool

No, that's really cool

that's really acmeism realized

Indeed

and all thanks to clojure

and friends

Yeah

That's pretty cool

I'm gonna have to get going, but it's been cool chatting.

I'll DM you

It is on hold atm. When I gave the talk on Lingy and YAMLScript in July, Lingy was the big deal and YS was a cherry on top. But then I got found by here, and learned about graal and sci etc,

and my whole vision flipped

Got it

That makes sense

If you want to please do!

There's really big work to be done in Lingy

The Ruby binding to YS is a day's work likely

Lingy is meant to go past Perl. Python, Ruby etc

One big milestone is getting all of clojure.core working

Not sure how much you've looked at Lingy

I looked a little

but it literally pulls in chunks of the clojure.core source that it handles into lingy.core

iirc

and the Lingy::Reader can read all of clojure.core

I'd be interested in implementing the persistent data structures

that's the BIG part

I've done some of the simpler versions of them in PHP a while back

one idea was to have a liblingy shared lib / virtual machine written in LuaJIT to do the HAMTs etc

The Ruby gem Hamster might be an interesting place to look for ideas on the Perl version

cool!

Lingy can interop with native perl objects. It boxes and unboxes as needed.

Ok, cool

the hard part with perl is that things like hashes and arrays don't have OO access. unless you use ties

Do you mean as far as interop with the clojure side?

when a language (like java) has an OO interface to everything it makes it easier to work with

Yeah, I think so...

I've had to deal with some of that in some of my Clojure implementation experiments in JavaScript

You can make new instances from perl module classes and call methods. And call perl functions as well.

Yeah

That's how I got around it in JS. The core lib functions ensured the interface for the native types.

In a lot of ways similar to how null in the Java implementation is a Seq even though it's not an object.

The Seq interface can't ensure that but the seq function does.