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lemuel05:01:09

Morning. Need coffee.

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paulspencerwilliams06:01:31

Morning. Not surprising at this time!

schmalz08:01:07

Morning all.

maleghast09:01:13

madainn mhath :flag-scotland:

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dharrigan09:01:12

Off topic, but has anyone been watching a bit of the current postoffice inquiry live? It's fasinating from an IT angle.

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thomas09:01:45

No, I have read a thing or two about and I think there was also something about it on the Register. I suspect the techies knew all along there were problems.

dharrigan09:01:50

From my understanding, they realised soon enough as they were debugging the system. It seems 'tho, that both fujitsu and post office upper management just didn't care...they were out for blood.

dharrigan09:01:20

The next live stream starts at 10am and the enquiry lawyers are interviewing the director of fujitsu UK

dharrigan09:01:44

now that is one to watch.

thomas09:01:26

maybe we should have some sort of qualification for software engineers.

dharrigan09:01:30

I don't think it's the software engineers who were at fault (yes, of course, all systems have bugs), it's more the upper management and their refusal to believe that the system was fallable.

dharrigan09:01:00

As far as they were concerned, the system worked flawlessly, even when they were being warned by the techies that there were problems!

dharrigan09:01:28

Tell you one thing 'tho, would not like to go in front of those lawyers - it's amazing to watch a top notch lawyer get to the truth just by speaking plainly and showing how the witness is contradicting themselves based upon prior witness statements. Amazing.

dharrigan09:01:23

From an IT side, it looks like the post office system (horizon) was a distribued message based system.

dharrigan09:01:30

actually is, as it's still in use.

thomas10:01:45

yeah, it was a management problem. and no... would not like to sit there.

cdpjenkins13:01:59

I haven't watched any of it but the text updates that I've seen look pretty horrific. Whatever problems there are/were with the tech, I get the impression that there were some terrible people problems too

Joseph Graham05:01:37

Reminds me of all the "backlog" tickets we have in Jira. Management think engineers job is just to do as they're told, not raise issues.

Joseph Graham05:01:06

Sometimes I wish I could spend my day just fixing bugs instead of delivering more features.

cdpjenkins07:01:21

I'm getting horrible flashbacks to "defect deferral" meetings in my old job. I.e. "we have no choice but to ship by the following deadline but our waterfall test phase just found loads of bugs... which ones can we get away with shipping to the customer?"

dharrigan09:01:30

Oh, good morning btw