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clojure-europe 2026-10-21
jasonbell 2026-10-21T07:53:12.526709Z
Morning
simongray 2026-10-21T08:25:40.684429Z
morning
I watched Rich's conj talk yesterday - pretty good news overall, especially that one can have a selector wherever not just in the destructuring. Very nice, modest improvements that are not going to be an alpha 🙏🏼
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simongray 2026-10-21T12:03:54.522509Z
It is indeed great to be getting some real changes rather than the eternal alpha library status. I think the community settled on Malli anyway.
seancorfield 2026-10-21T14:04:09.322289Z
Heh, we have 1.13 Alpha 9 in production (we've had every 1.13 alpha in production, I believe).
seancorfield 2026-10-21T14:05:35.927909Z
And we've used Spec in production for at least seven years now. With Clojure, there's really no reason to avoid alpha core or contrib libs.
mpenet 2026-10-21T08:54:37.105009Z
it's going the right direction indeed.
thomas 2026-10-21T08:58:49.839909Z
Morning
I was knighted, then no longer delighted.
Random thought I had the other day: is Clojure the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun%27s_tenth_rule of the JVM/Java?
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simongray 2026-10-22T05:16:00.717459Z
IIRC the JVM was intended to be a dynamic Lisp-like runtime and Gosling just adopted the C-style grammar for Java to please the suits.
simongray 2026-10-22T05:43:57.111219Z
That's why Clojure fits in so well. The JVM is much more dynamic than Java's original design.
Clojure is more Java than Java itself lol
If you have the patience for a long read, here’s the Java backstory: https://blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/javaorigin