clojure-europe

ray 2026-01-06T08:21:19.757909Z

Good woody morning

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simongray 2026-01-06T08:22:45.907389Z

Our snow is somehow turning into fog.

ray 2026-01-06T08:24:19.916499Z

That was Sunday … it's more overcast today. Yours has a greater sci-fi feel πŸ‘πŸΌ

thomas 2026-01-06T08:22:20.766779Z

Morning, still no trains in πŸ‡³πŸ‡±

reefersleep 2026-01-06T08:39:33.128219Z

Good morning!

reefersleep 2026-01-06T08:40:16.098119Z

What do you use for ad hoc no-login voice chat? We use Teams at work, but it isn't working for me at the moment.

dharrigan 2026-01-09T13:16:59.172949Z

This just popped into my radar:

dharrigan 2026-01-09T13:17:11.682969Z

reefersleep 2026-01-06T08:40:33.244579Z

I remember using some browser thing ages ago.

ray 2026-01-06T08:41:55.188069Z

☎️

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ray 2026-01-06T08:42:06.821389Z

πŸ™‚

reefersleep 2026-01-06T08:42:09.418049Z

You're not wrong πŸ˜„

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T08:44:05.419129Z

I used Keet a successfully a few times

reefersleep 2026-01-06T08:45:16.360839Z

thanks, I'll have a go πŸ™‚

teodorlu 2026-01-06T08:46:35.538149Z

I used to use https://whereby.com/, and used to have https://company.whereby.com/teodor or something. It was very smooth. You have to pay something to get that, though.

simongray 2026-01-07T07:20:00.803269Z

Jitsi meet is also an option

reefersleep 2026-01-07T11:24:27.540009Z

Thanks all πŸ™‚ I used http://talky.io for a wee bit until normal services resumed.

reefersleep 2026-01-07T11:25:05.145539Z

Keet wanted me to meet random people , I didn't want to pay for whereby. Had forgotten about jitsi, which I think would also have suited my needs

borkdude 2026-01-06T08:50:22.524119Z

My city Amersfoort in snow, yet another photo (not mine)

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ray 2026-01-06T08:52:01.882349Z

I think you need to go outside and touch snow β˜ƒοΈ

borkdude 2026-01-06T08:53:00.226569Z

I'm going to walk to the public library, this is on the way there

thomas 2026-01-06T08:54:40.102329Z

I did a walk last night, really nice with crunchy snow

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-06T08:55:09.096349Z

I can very well imagine you sitting in the right upper watchtower, conjuring up new Clojure spells πŸ§™

borkdude 2026-01-06T08:55:45.397479Z

I did go up there a few times, but didn't bring my laptop :)

thomas 2026-01-06T08:56:07.594709Z

who needs a laptop for some spells?

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-06T08:57:24.921209Z

In Antwerp, there is the concept of the City Poet, a title that is passed along every year.

borkdude 2026-01-06T08:57:34.679489Z

We have that too

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-06T08:57:38.486409Z

Cool.

borkdude 2026-01-06T08:58:11.216969Z

I guess I can be the City Clojurian then, but I'm not the only one :)

thomas 2026-01-06T08:59:15.750779Z

I'd vote for you (even I'm not from Amersfoort)

ray 2026-01-06T09:00:09.556719Z

you can be the City Clojurian next year, once your skills are up to scratch πŸ˜†

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borkdude 2026-01-06T09:00:39.625889Z

I guess I'm behind since I don't use Claude Code yet

ray 2026-01-06T09:01:07.237589Z

are they the current City Clojurian?

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-06T09:01:14.688529Z

Ray and I live so close to eachother we're in competition for the village idiot title.

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borkdude 2026-01-06T09:02:06.245109Z

also Arne is in your vicinity, but I think I'd vote for Ray

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ray 2026-01-06T09:02:51.558929Z

I'm publicly out as an idiot so I have a head start on the other nominees

reefersleep 2026-01-06T09:03:21.755159Z

Beautiful photo! What is this bridgy building used for?

borkdude 2026-01-06T09:04:20.789729Z

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koppelpoort

thomas 2026-01-06T09:04:30.153039Z

but aren't you an immigrant @raymcdermott? So you go there and steal other people's jobs?

reefersleep 2026-01-06T09:05:52.592969Z

@borkdude the wiki doesn't say what it's used for currently

borkdude 2026-01-06T09:06:18.684279Z

it's mostly a tourist attraction nowadays

borkdude 2026-01-06T09:07:50.584729Z

aaah wait, Ray isn't a real Belg? he's good at hiding that then :P

ray 2026-01-06T09:36:47.325589Z

I'm not an immigrant, I'm an expat 🎩

ray 2026-01-06T09:37:05.455619Z

🀣

ray 2026-01-06T09:37:53.756239Z

I work for a Swiss company so I'm not sure who's job I'm stealing any more think_beret

borkdude 2026-01-06T09:38:34.007449Z

I wouldn't count on Swiss for protection though, they are "neutral"

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Ben Sless 2026-01-06T10:08:51.245809Z

Well the flag is a big plus

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thomas 2026-01-06T10:19:34.853289Z

dang.... that is the best joke I heard in a loong time

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T10:47:15.755339Z

I stole it fair and square

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Ben Sless 2026-01-06T10:59:30.002379Z

original

Ludger Solbach 2026-01-07T15:37:06.462079Z

@borkdude You still have to make it on the notable residents list in Wikipedia!

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2026-01-06T09:14:29.853029Z

morning

2026-01-06T09:14:38.138679Z

I should take a pic of the snow here before it disappears

agile_geek 2026-01-06T10:34:05.196669Z

No sign yet of the snow in the NE of England disappearing anytime soon.

2026-01-06T10:50:57.685339Z

Only a light dusting down here by the Tay

Ed 2026-01-06T12:02:46.145329Z

The peak district also only has a light covering ...

ray 2026-01-06T13:11:10.888499Z

A persistent dusting here

2026-01-06T13:37:06.291749Z

Gone with the rain now

dharrigan 2026-01-06T09:15:37.044699Z

Good Morning!

Asier 2026-01-06T10:23:33.127179Z

Snow in the Basque Country too.

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Asier 2026-01-06T10:23:54.539049Z

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agile_geek 2026-01-06T10:31:45.624239Z

Bore da welsh_flag

simongray 2026-01-06T07:25:14.430219Z

Good morning

simongray 2026-01-06T07:30:21.670789Z

So now I am actually considering it a real possibility that the Americans are going to attack us in the next few months. Some seriously crazy stuff is coming out of their mouths, especially the wannabe Goebbels.

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T08:16:21.766159Z

JUST saw this news item

"The US is developing a draft agreement with Greenland that could be offered directly to the island's authorities, bypassing Denmark.

The proposal involves a Free Association Agreement β€” where the US provides funding and improvements in living standards, while Greenland hands over all defense matters to Washington, but the island retains internal self-government. 

The US already has similar arrangements with Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, and Palau.

Trump's strategy has two main goals. The first is to deepen divisions between Greenland and Denmark. The second is to open direct negotiations with the island, bypassing Copenhagen," - The Economist.

simongray 2026-01-06T08:17:34.870219Z

I don’t doubt that they are attempting this, I am doubting the possibility of this happening.

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-06T08:17:36.762049Z

Come on, cheeseburgers, do your effin' job.

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Ben Sless 2026-01-06T08:22:23.078279Z

Explaining anything related to Americans - Imagine a cheeseburger

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-06T08:31:38.995979Z

Not Americans, one person in particular.

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-06T08:32:03.130339Z

You know of whom I speak. A pale ork, astride a white warg.

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T08:38:39.063229Z

I don't, actually πŸ˜„

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-06T08:44:50.296069Z

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T08:47:23.422309Z

> β€œYou're in America now," I said. "Our idea of diplomacy is showing up with a gun in one hand and a sandwich in the other and asking which you'd prefer.”

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-06T08:51:25.376779Z

Interesting variation on "Plata o Plomo" (Narcos)

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-06T08:52:55.239449Z

Not familiar with Jim butcher.

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T08:53:17.723849Z

Writes fun pulp-y Urban Fantasy

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-06T08:54:01.923289Z

Cool. That series hadn't showed up on my radar until now.

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T08:54:38.864529Z

That's a fun series to binge

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-06T08:58:36.063389Z

It'll have to wait, started this series: https://www.goodreads.com/series/231285-the-sun-eater

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T08:59:20.855769Z

Book Of The New Sun is looking at me from my Kindle

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-06T09:00:02.855979Z

Bookmarking that one. Space opera is my gig.

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T09:00:45.936559Z

It's not exactly a space opera, it's set so far in the future distinction between technology and magic is fuzzy

seancorfield 2026-01-06T14:56:30.064629Z

My wife loves Jim Butcher. She's waiting for the new "Harry Dresden" book to drop right now.

seancorfield 2026-01-06T14:57:47.074899Z

And as someone who lives in America, I've no idea what fresh hell I am going to wake up to each day...

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T15:01:29.850069Z

a treatise on international relations from the early 19th century should be illuminating. or a Jim Butcher book, ironically, as Harry deals with plenty of Old World creatures

borkdude 2026-01-08T10:04:32.713469Z

Yesterday I listened to the news and I thought: @simongray is going to win and it's not going to take 18 months :-s

Ben Sless 2026-01-08T11:02:18.311159Z

Want to judge our bet?

borkdude 2026-01-08T11:03:02.937869Z

What does it mean to judge your bet?

Ben Sless 2026-01-08T11:04:13.558459Z

A. Determine the winner by timeout or win condition B. Hold the money in trust and distribute it to the winner

Ben Sless 2026-01-08T11:05:14.364449Z

Maybe referee would have been a better term I'm not sure

borkdude 2026-01-08T11:08:06.324819Z

Oh sure, why not

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borkdude 2026-01-17T17:52:37.337849Z

I thought: if you want to become an American citizen now, the easiest way might be to first become a citizen of Greenland. But it turns out that's pretty hard too.

borkdude 2026-01-21T14:42:03.275889Z

I knew it. Iceland is next! (j/k about Trump mixing up Greenland and Iceland)

Ben Sless 2026-01-21T15:04:33.603989Z

He'll rename it to Iceland after acquiring it "That Leif guy, what a rascal. Anyway, it's a silly name so we're fixing it"

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-21T15:09:08.506389Z

It wouldn't surprise me if Trump actually things that Greenland has lush vegetation and forest floors to rake.

borkdude 2026-01-21T15:10:54.694099Z

He said: it's not much to ask for a piece of ice

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-21T15:12:02.269969Z

ah so he did do his homework

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-21T15:12:31.184589Z

do i want to watch the speech?

Thomas Moerman 2026-01-21T15:12:47.641549Z

or go hide in my imaginary nuclear bunker

borkdude 2026-01-21T15:12:57.703789Z

I watched a piece of it and he actually cracked me up a few times

Ben Sless 2026-01-22T04:33:36.749419Z

What sort of deal was that? Have fun, deae referee, adjudicating this one 😁

simongray 2026-01-22T07:54:27.808179Z

An imaginary one, I think

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T07:42:15.477719Z

they are not going to attack you, don't believe the FUD

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T07:42:52.421389Z

They might very impolitely make you cry Uncle

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T07:43:13.771389Z

but there won't be an attack on a fellow NATO member

simongray 2026-01-06T07:45:18.748509Z

Occupation then. Same difference.

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T07:48:14.826059Z

Denmark won't be occupied and Greenland will hold a referendum or the 08 one will be reinterpreted and it will petition to join the US

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T07:48:36.899869Z

but having it independent or a US territory will be sufficient for US needs

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T07:49:37.092059Z

This is like a Great Game DLC and surprisingly it's being played correctly by the US, just very unpleasantly

simongray 2026-01-06T07:49:50.444249Z

Greenland isn't going to join the US willingly, what are you on about?

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T07:51:10.717239Z

Perhaps Want to bet on it?

simongray 2026-01-06T07:52:02.101499Z

Sure, how much?

simongray 2026-01-06T07:52:43.792709Z

And do we make some sort of contract so you don't cheap out? 😁

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T07:53:02.583319Z

50 EUR on Greenland independence + significant US presence Actual annexation by the US seems unlikely to me at this point

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T07:53:23.397099Z

I'm willing to send the money in advance to someone of your choosing and they'll dispense it to the winner πŸ˜„

simongray 2026-01-06T07:54:09.912119Z

By when? That's kinda significant.

Ben Sless 2026-01-06T07:54:40.099129Z

What sounds reasonable to you? 18 months?

simongray 2026-01-06T07:54:41.081259Z

There is already US presence on Greenland by the way

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simongray 2026-01-06T07:55:11.577249Z

18 months it is

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Ben Sless 2026-01-06T07:55:52.340309Z

Now we need an impartial judge and trustee