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agigao04:10:45

Morning ☀️

robert-stuttaford05:10:17

i love your photos in the main thread Ray 🙂 you take great pics!

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ordnungswidrig07:10:18

On top of the Hahnenkamm (Reutte, Tyrolia) looking at the Zugspitze group

reefersleep07:10:35

Looks magical

robert-stuttaford07:10:44

such an epic photo. well done!

ordnungswidrig08:10:15

Thanks. I was just lucky with the ever changing clouds. Most of the day was actually just foggy and cold 😂

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genRaiy09:10:01

Great shot!

ordnungswidrig07:10:51

Found another shot form that day. The fancy post processing is what google photos think is a good stylistic improvement :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

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reefersleep09:10:09

I like it! It looks extremely oversaturated, but why not “live life to it’s fullest” 😛

ordnungswidrig09:10:33

Did somebody say candy? 🍬 😛

reefersleep09:10:36

The perspective is real, though, and amazing 😮

reefersleep09:10:57

Yeah, that’s really what it is 😄 Sugar for the eyes. And candyfloss, too!

agigao11:10:40

Picturesque! 😍

teodorlu06:10:52

wow Good morning.

borkdude07:10:11

After having a glitch in my emacs which was solved by many hours of debugging, but then finally: just delete elpa , I can say: good morning!

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reefersleep07:10:55

Good ol’ reboot/plug out, plug in/reinstall/nuke it from orbit

ordnungswidrig08:10:04

Delete the elpa directory?

borkdude08:10:27

I know right

otfrom08:10:49

I find changes in macros are the ones most likely to ruin my emacs day

borkdude08:10:19

I was having a very strange problem: I saw lag when typing, but only with newer versions of clojure-lsp. So I thought the problem was with clojure-lsp. It turned out there were some problems (so good that we digged into that) but the solutions to those didn't solve my problem

borkdude08:10:36

Eventually wiping elpa and restarting emacs so packages would recompile, solved it. Very strange

teodorlu09:10:26

they say "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" but i suspect they aren't using emacs.

lemontea16:10:10

@U0AQ3HP9U ar, that one… it is a recurring joke/running gag in my local IT community lol

lemontea16:10:36

aka “Have you tried turning it off and on again?”

lemontea16:10:55

@U04V15CAJ oh you just pulled an all-nighter so much that the clock wraps around and it’s good morning again? Let’s go to the cafe/coffee shop and chill out/wind down over a nice cup of tea~

reefersleep16:10:53

@U6L5FFL95 more often than not, I regret not doing it sooner! It's a trusty hammer.

lemontea16:10:13

that’s why the “IT guy” in one episode decided to just automate it and wire up the phone to a tape that plays the sound clip “Have you tried turning it off and on again?” 🙈

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borkdude06:10:32

No I didn’t pull an all nighter, I never do that. I was just depressed about this issue and my morning was good again after it was solved

simongray08:10:59

Anybody here know what an RPA developer is? The term seems be used mostly by non-technical people, but suddenly I keep seeing it everywhere.

simongray08:10:22

I get the same connotations as “agile”

simongray08:10:44

It might just be a Danish thing…

otfrom08:10:02

robotic process automation?

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rolt08:10:12

never heard of it, I tried looking it up and encountered of whole world of acronyms

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simongray08:10:30

yes, I think it’s basically a fancy word for “can write excel macros”

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lemontea16:10:26

wait, “robotic process automation” makes me think it’s like embedded/hardware engineer where you write low level C to do “System Control” kind of stuff… may requires knowledge of “Control theory” in math + mechanical engineering etc…

simongray17:10:01

Yeah, no, nothing like that... it's more of an upgrade path for office "power users", so perhaps learning a tiny bit of VBA, Excel macros or some GUI tool for automating mouse and keyboard events.

otfrom08:10:34

(eg not replacing old systems but having something drive a mouse to use an existing GUI)

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rolt08:10:47

DPA BPA BPM

simongray08:10:30

@otfrom yes, something like that

simongray08:10:58

Basically, the Danish public sector seems to be increasingly in love with this idea and I get the feeling that it’s because they can’t hire “real” developers at a competitive salary.

teodorlu09:10:17

i'm simultaneously excited and enfuriated by this. enfuriated: it's stupid excited: end user programming is here (in a very weird form) there's talk of "robotic process automation" in civil engineering / construction too. And companies are paying lots of money for these robot automation systems! Though personally I'd rather see people read https://automatetheboringstuff.com/ and try for themselves with python.

simongray09:10:57

I find it mostly infuriating…. Lots of people with no concept of the complexity of software integration having a try at it in a mostly superficial way. Seems like an expensive way to shoot yourself in the foot (talking specifically about the Danish public sector which is very IT-dependent).

simongray09:10:29

Obviously, it has its uses. I’m talking about the hype I’m seeing in the public sector where lots of non-technical people think they are about as capable as regular software developers.

teodorlu11:10:49

I once took over a Python app written by a civil engineer. It was one file, 4000 lines. Two functions. Each function was about 2000 lines. The two functions did basically the same thing, but "a little different". So the two functions were mostly a copy-paste of each other. nested ifs, for loops, while loops. I think I got about five layers deep. Python's identation based scoping made things more difficult. Variable names were a, d and s, ... I rewrote it from scratch. Added unit tests. It was calculating required reinforcement (steel) in constructions, after all. Mistakes would be expensive, and possibly risky to humans. I'm seriously impressed the original dev was even able to work (at all). And this is something they paid for.

reefersleep13:10:59

Move slow and break things? 💥

teodorlu15:10:40

Exactly 😁

lemontea16:10:18

To be fair though, I revisited the NoCode/LowCode things a few months ago and the state-of-the-art seem to have improved since then… but “cutting edge vs ordinary life” is a thing, so I think it’s an “unevenly distributed” and “diffusion of innovation” issue

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teodorlu17:10:40

> The future is already here - it's just unevenly distributed

simongray08:10:24

so they’re trying to upgrade their existing office workers to “RPA developers”

borkdude08:10:15

Still haven't turned on the heating so far after the summer. It's even 22.5 Celsius in my living room now due to the sun shining

genRaiy09:10:00

Good morning

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robert-stuttaford09:10:24

awesome graphics, really accurate physics rendering!

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lread12:10:11

Ray tracing!

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lread13:10:17

Ray traipsing?

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lemontea16:10:12

this looks so breathtakingly surreal like it’s done from a computer simulation… or is it the other way around?

lemontea16:10:31

reality and simulations… the distinction is blurring as of late. Can be exciting or worrying depending on your pov :thinking_face:

genRaiy17:10:03

simple shot on an iphone11 from this morning's dog walk

genRaiy17:10:20

I was happy with the composition ofc

genRaiy18:10:17

also thanks for your kind words of encouragement 🙇:skin-tone-3:

simongray07:10:27

Looking forward to the Digital Foundry review.

lread12:10:41

Good morning!

lemontea16:10:30

good morning too~

lemontea16:10:04

so I’m still trying out setups on my new laptop - using coder and write my own template: terraform + vagrant + libvirt + ansible

lemontea16:10:27

short conclusion: vagrant + libvirt + ansible mostly “work” after ironing out a few wrinkles

lemontea16:10:53

the coder’s terraform agent integration? not so much :man-shrugging:

lemontea16:10:32

some other interesting things: When I first come across virt-manager I thought the GUI is so barebone and naive compared to similar ones on Window… then I clicked on “Create a new VM” as well as the “Open/View VM” button…… oh I’ve been sooooo stupid nvm 😂

lemontea16:10:25

I also played with vyos a bit… the in/out firewall rules are rather confusing (which way is “in”?)

lemontea16:10:01

(it’s a variation of “off by one error” being one of the 2 hard problems in CS - “naming things, cache invalidation, and off by one error”)