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@meow: data processing?

@jaredly: ?

chat isn't data processing

data is chat processing

processing is chat data

chat processing is data

chat data is processing

processing data isn't chat

and chat isn't data processing

are we all clear? on the same page now?

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@rafd pinned a message to this channel.

oh good, I'll take a look

hahah

nothing new, just pinning

made a joke

/me /me

/me /me /me

have to do 4 to make that work

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looks very interesting I have to say....

I was recently thinking about how I would solve a problem like this as well and I was wondering if the team had considered using pub/sub messaging?

pub/sub is very general - in what way specifically

did you read the braid docs and watch the video

its based on tags and conversations, not rooms/channels

and you subscribe to tags

and can do searches

closed conversations that you are subscribed to pop back up if/when anyone adds more content to the conversation

you can find closed ones using search

the video is a few days old so a lot has changed

@thomas: ^

the whole style of interaction is different than slack

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ok, I hadn't realised that, thank you for you explanation.

np

the braid devs are doing a great job

I'm super impressed

just wish more devs were creating alternate solutions so the community had more choices for when we need to leave slack

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*video is a few months old

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welcome

I'm in! /cc @rafd

sweet

how can I join a room in braid?

or a tag

there are no rooms

subscribe to tags

click on your icon

I just see a black screen basically — is that because there are no (unread) messages?

yes

well, my screen is white

when I click on the icon I can only tick checkboxes

no, silver

actually

haha

those should be tags that you are checking

sent a message

do you see it? 😄

then you have to tag it by typing a reply that starts with an hash - like #admin-announcements

just pick any of them - I subscribe to them all so I'll see you message and we can continue this over there

ahhh

you got it

@meow: am I not subscribed to all tags by default? it seems all are checked in the panel that opens when I click on my avatar

you should get new activity then, and can search old stuff

but you lack context so you don't know what to search for

the on-boarding process is weak right now

very weak

sucks ass

we know

you've been seeing my replies

create new messages with some of those other tags

I get them all

if you can't find a tag that fits make a new one

you can't fuck it up - I keep trying - look at the mess I made, right?

enjoy

I haven’t been able to get any search results...

search for the word "fuck"

should get a lot of results

if you don't, something is borken

aha, it just takes several seconds and gives no feedback that it’s thinking. but it works!

yep

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Hi there, how can I get into braid chat?

I updated my Chaf concept with some kind of rationale: http://www.martinklepsch.org/chaf.html

All the talk here + Braid really motivate me to pursue this once more

@martinklepsch: all subscribed by default

@jaredly: thanks for feedback, have added a priorty task to show feedback that it's searching

currently just using datomic text search

cool

@meow has been adding lots of content so this will act as a stress test 😛

@martinklepsch: I think branching will need to come to Braid eventually, for now, it works pretty well, but for larger groups it may be an issue

i've been thinking that instead of doing it inline, you could open the branch as a new column

would love to have you be a contributer, I want it to be a community effort

@rafd: I wonder whether we could have a common backend, but w/ a bunch of different frontend ideas to test out different UX concepts (like threading etc). Of course there would have to be some data-level support for it

i think we could do it in the same app

with a toggle

if the data model supports its

https://github.com/braidchat/meta/issues/7

@rafd: has mutli-tagging been super useful? (having a conversation have multiple tags)

not for small teams (where everyone subs to everything)

but I see a lot of "this would be better asked in #foo" type responses in forums, etc.

...but, who knows...

currently, @meow is using tags as a new form of expressive dance, i think

basically, I am not committed to any specific model with Braid, will to experiment and change; I think multiple conversations at a time has proven itself to me, but the specifics of that works are up for grabs

re: discussions and such, I just prefer experimenting with code than talking too much about it, but I do appreciate the feedback and conversations

basically, we could treat Braid in the next few months as a platform to experiment on better community chat UX

or people can create their own concepts

w/e

i'm very excited to see these conversations happening, in blogs, code, chat... simple_smile

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@delaguardo: did you get an invite yet?

@rafd: how do you want to handle requests for invites as this is going to explode now

@meow: nope

we need to scale this at a rate at which you can handle

but as much as possible early adopters should be welcome

@delaguardo: please be patient as we work this out

I am putting extreme stresses on both the system and the developers and I think we all know it

no problem, i can wait as long as it takes

thanks

Oh, I can send the invite to @delaguardo ; there was a bug sending the mails yesterday

@jamesnvc: tyvm

@martinklepsch: read the updated blog - nice

can't wait to experiment with more of your ideas

I'm sure the devs will surprise me with cool implementations to try

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@meow: you should be able to invite people too, it's in the popup above the tag management

so, just so everyone has an idea of how things are going: me and james teach programming ~10 hrs week and have some client work, but we'll be dedicating the rest of our time on Braid for the next few weeks

@jamesnvc has made improvements to some server-side bugs relating to search and invitations

i'll be working on some high priority tweaks to the UI today and thursday

is anyone currently interested in actually contributing code to Braid in immediate short-term?

contributing via discussions/suggestions on https://github.com/braidchat/meta/issues and testing the client on our current instance is a good way to contribute for folks who don't have time to code

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Hmm, how are the cards sorted? It doesn't seem to be last message time. Is it first message time or something else?

i think it is currently created-at of the first message in the conversation, which is not ideal, however, having it with created-at of last message resulted in the threads jumping around a lot , which was also not ideal

https://github.com/braidchat/meta/issues/71

@jaen ^

the first rule of braid chat - there is no braid chat

what happens in braid chat stays in braid chat

we all clear on the rules?

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currently working on a new sidebar, especially for new users to discover content: https://www.dropbox.com/s/oe4wvr9xtlc4q0u/Screenshot%202016-01-12%2016.20.41.png?dl=0

Yeah, I can imagine if threads jumped around when a new message came would be confusing

But how else would one track the newest messages?

you close all messages that you've replied to

and they'll come back

when someone replies

sounds tedious but its not

especially when we add keyboard shortcuts

It's pretty easy in the room metaphor, so something comparatively easy should be in place there.

Hmm

or maybe a "reply and close" button / shortcut

i agree, there are still things to improve

That sounds like it could work, but certainly is not as intuitive, without any guidance from the interface

true, interface is not gread

it's one of those things that in theory is a problem, but in practise hasn't been much of an issue, (but adding more users these last few days is unearthing new problems, which i'm thankful for)

its working pretty well for me

I love it

better than slack

I'm in 196 channels

197

forgot I just added #mori-fork

lots of work to keep up with vs braid

not sure how many more days I can keep this up

I guess when I start hallucinating I'll stop

to clarify, @meow has created most of those channels

and is the only one using them for his own artistic purposes 😛

...and stress-testing the UI

no, I'm on all 197 slack channels AND however many channels I created on Braid

considering a pretty big change to how tagging is done: https://github.com/braidchat/meta/issues/111

thoughts @meow , @jamesnvc ?

can't wait to try it - looks like an awesome idea

👍 looks cool

very