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2016-06-16
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zcaudate04:06:51

@borkdude: meditation = spiritual hammock time

zcaudate04:06:38

speaking of visualisation…

zcaudate04:06:23

I’m increasingly in awe of this guy

zcaudate04:06:43

he knows what he wants

borkdude07:06:09

Rich Hickey mentioned Musk in one of his spec examples, so he must be really great 😉

tjg07:06:55

Hey @zcaudate: there's ideas people have come up with and pursue, I just need some time to collect brief descriptions into a gist... 🙂

tjg07:06:16

(Sorry for the delay; just had to think about it for a bit and recently had deadlines when I wanted to reply.)

zcaudate07:06:21

@tjg: please do! I’d love to see it.

zcaudate07:06:39

I think that money is an unavoidable concept

zcaudate07:06:57

that is extremely useful

zcaudate07:06:48

but can abused through greed

zcaudate08:06:01

I like the whole concept of needs and desires in terms of defining goals. Someone once said to me… generosity is giving more than you have… whilst vanity is taking less than you need.

tjg08:06:23

Good point with goals! Hopefully I don't misinterpret your point. When supporting someone with their problems, it seems helpful to help identify & achieve goals they want to accomplish. (With active listening & their enthusiastic consent of course.) Seems a lot harder to support someone with real action, without discovering their goals.

tjg08:06:46

Yeah, an advanced future economy would probably have some notion of "credits" somewhere in it. At least to control things like pollution.

tjg08:06:47

(Though maybe such credits would disappear when used, unlike our current idea of "money," which is transferrable. For example, in the Participatory Economics vision, you can imagine getting credits for your "effort & sacrifice, tempered by need.")