Hum, so what's the best Evil way to go about deleting a section of code?

It seems without relative line numbers, it is pretty hard

5dd seems the best way, but without relative number, its a bit hard to decide the correct number

I guess you can also just repeat dd

That's probably easiest: dd followed by . many times

I often use dap and da(/`da[`/`da{`.

I'm not sure if some local layer changed it, but da( is also aliased to dab, da{ to daB If you use lispyville, you gain dax (s-exp), dal (list), daa (atom)

These are the Evil/Vim keybindings I seem to use the most https://practicalli.github.io/spacemacs/spacemacs-basics/vim-quick-reference.html

@jr0cket brilliant, thanks!

So, after using only evil, for 2 days. One thing I struggle is that nothing seems as good as Emacs sexp functions for navigating Lisp code.

It seems more focused on freeform text. You can move by word or WORD, by paragraph, and % moves between bracket

But how do I move structurally around sexp?

Like say, left/right across sexp forms and up/down into and out of them?

Basically everything here: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/List-Motion.html

You mean transient lisp mode? 😉

@didibus some claim that evil-cleverparens layer gives you some nice things, I yet have to try it myself. But as you know - I’m lazy.

also checkout https://github.com/noctuid/lispyville

Hum, so no native Vim

solution

How do I access transient lisp mode?

SPC k ...

That's not transient though

Also, anyone else has SPC unbounded in lisp-state?

M-m still works, but not SPC

Maybe I'm used to Holy mode transient, normally transient refers to the use of Hydra

In holy mode

Also, how long did it take you to become more productive? Cause now I think I'm about 20 times less productive 😛

Be patient… nobody can expect to become fluent in Spanish in just a few days just by reading some Gabriel García Márquez. Also, I think I’ve told you: “you’re gonna hate me for a while”

We'll see if it pays off I guess. I did vimtutor, the free part of vimadventures

Now its about using it for real

That's where I started really missing the emacs lisp features.

I don't find SPC k super useful, it takes so long to type SPC k before every move, and lisp-state disapears on Esc, so all insert mode gets you out of it

Okay, but isn't it abnormal that SPC and , are no longer bound in lisp state?

How am I suppoed to run eval last sexp without , 😛

Do I have a broken setup?

every Emacs user in some sense has a “broken” and at the same time “perfect” setup.

find what makes sense for you

and change it to your needs

I’m not a big fan of SPC k either, at some point I’d probably try to find something that works for me better

but it’s easy to extend. Here’s for example how I added SPC k = operator - it reindents things in current sexp:

(defun sp-reindent ()
    (interactive)
    (save-excursion
      (er/expand-region 2)
      (evil-indent (region-beginning) (region-end))))

  (evil-lisp-state-enter-command sp-reindent)
  (spacemacs/set-leader-keys
    "k=" #'evil-lisp-state-sp-reindent))

Well, I meant broken like, isn't Spacemacs supposed to have SPC bound in all states as the leader? Especially since evil-lisp-state is made by the same person, so I was wondering if that's a bug or my config has an issue

Ya, my Emacs is highly customized. But right now I want to make sure I learn the Vi way, before I customize it. That's why I ask first if here are ways I'm just not thinking off before I create custom ones

Lispy seems nice, abo-abo is an awesome Emacs dev too, I love all his packages. But I still think I need to practice pure Vi before I try these Emacs only packages

> isn’t Spacemacs supposed to have SPC bound in all states as the leader you are correct. Maybe there’s a ticket on GH, I don’t know.

I'll check

If you do: SPC k . and then SPC, do you see: SPC is undefined ?

yes

that is a bug

There are ongoing discussions of moving evil-lisp-state into its own layer and making it optional, bringing lispyville to Spacemacs, etc. There isn’t a single best option that would work for everyone. That’s why I personally choose not to worry about it hoping that community will fix it for me. Navigating and manipulating sexps is not a highest priority for me right now though.

Hum... Ya, it would be nice to move it to a layer actually, and give people options there.

So if you prefered cleverparens, lispyville, etc.

https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/issues/8162

But abo-abo is amazing, so if one had to be default, I'd go with his 😛

I love all his packages: Ivy, Avy, Swiper, Counsel, all top notch. Maybe I should try lispy, in his readme, he mentions Vi line editing style isn't very good for Lisp, and I think that's what I'm realizing now. Writing Clojure is my #1 activity so... I'll see

I might just wait for the Spacemacs community as well 😛

https://github.com/noctuid/lispyville

https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/issues/6050