just answering myself - helps to think aloud sometimes. I did end up using a layer 3 sub. the struggle I had was with trying to consolidate my data and others data but since I really need to worry about only possible changed at any given time, I just sub to that as an input and replace in the outgoing set

hmm I take that back. the layer 3 sub works great when I'm on the item being, but the data is still duplicated and as soon as I move on the next element, the stale data shows up in my calendar. would it be a total heresy to send a dispatch from a sub (as in, I noticed this data is changed, can you update)?

https://reactjs.org/docs/hooks-intro.html seems very like re-frame to me.

@gklijs Not sure i see it. useState seems more like cursors (which I regard as bad)

Maybe if I read more I'll see the connection

> With Hooks, you can extract stateful logic from a component so it can be tested independently and reused.

i took a look at react hooks when my coworker told me about how exciting they’re going to be. i’m not sure i get it. i think i’ve been using reframe and cljs so long i’ve forgotten the problems that the javascript world is still trying to solve?

the stateful/effect hooks still look far less powerful than* what subscriptions and event handlers provide

maybe someone more recently involved in the react world can better explain to me the purpose?

Question: who uses the Event Handler Tracing feature of re-frame-10x https://github.com/Day8/re-frame-10x/blob/master/docs/HyperlinkedInformation/EventCodeTracing.md I'm just trying to get a feel for who knows about it, and who actually uses it (as a proxy for who finds it useful).