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exitsandman 2026-02-28T22:19:08.038799Z
I think today I learned why Rich decided to stick to exceptions despite how awesome CL-like condition systems are :) (the reason is that all the Java libs use throw statements from which restarting isn't meaningful in any capacity).
seancorfield 2026-02-28T22:23:04.332409Z
A hosted language has to "live with" the host ecosystem -- the JVM, JS, and CLR all treat exceptions as idiomatic in their primary language(s). I guess they'd be less so in Clojerl but that's more of an edge case in the Clojure world.
exitsandman 2026-02-28T22:27:16.827669Z
Yeah there's no denying that; still, conditions in and of themselves are an extension of exceptions more than a clashing concept, to the point that the JVM bytecode to CL compiler I saw the other day (iirc it was called OpenLDK or something, it recently managed to get a JVM Clojure repl running) straight up implements exceptions with conditions
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Ben Sless 2026-03-01T05:48:20.034709Z
Don't both live on a scale the end of which is Algebraic Effects?
exitsandman 2026-03-01T12:43:06.005459Z
I feel that algebraic effects are too general to be considered an extension of conditions.
Ben Sless 2026-03-01T12:46:40.415749Z
Meant conditions are a special case of algebraic effects
Ben Sless 2026-03-01T12:47:06.404959Z
It's a "can be implemented using" relationship