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andy.fingerhut00:01:51

I finally bought an Apple Silicon based Mac (MacBook Pro early 2023, used, with M2 Pro processor). Had been using a 2019 Intel-based Mac until now. I am understanding now the raving folks were doing on the performance differences. Quite noticeable.

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Sam Ferrell00:01:24

When I first got mine I had to install the Intel version of VSCode and used it like that for a year until I remembered to upgrade to the silicon version... picard-facepalm

Sam Ferrell00:01:25

noticing the startup perf difference was like someone stepping off my foot

andy.fingerhut00:01:27

I've also run a few compute-intensive things on it, and have yet to hear any fans kick on, the way they did for the same tasks on the 2019-Intel-Mac.

Daniel Craig01:01:20

Yeah I’ve never heard the fans come on in mine, and the battery seems to last for eternity. My 2019 was the absolute opposite.

Cora (she/her)02:01:54

the heat management is soooooo much better

cdpjenkins06:01:43

My previous machine was a 2018 MacBook Pro. It overheated all the time, keys stopped working, the battery didn't last very long and the lack of function keys never stopped being an inconvenience. I bought an M1 Pro the first week they came out. Best machine I've ever owned by miles. It fixes all the issues that I had with my old machine and it's still going strong. I can still spend most of the day working on battery without having to worry about it. Back in 2018, I was worried that the Mac was no longer a strategic product for Apple and that they'd never be good again. I'm so happy that I was wrong.

Ben Sless09:01:51

Work forced me to switch form Linux to Mac Everything is sluggish and painful 😞

cdpjenkins09:01:35

Just curious, what sort of hardware were you running Linux on + what sort of Mac do you have?

Ben Sless09:01:50

Lenovo X1 carbon vs M1 mac

Ben Sless09:01:21

WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT 3 SECONDS FOR A TERMINAL TO OPEN, APPLE?

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Ben Sless09:01:59

and I can't stand Apple's esoteric choice of keeping programs running ad daemons yet cmd tab can select them

cdpjenkins09:01:41

Ouch… (I guess I’ve been using a Mac for so long that I’ve become habituated to the above)

jumar10:01:51

I’ve been using 2018 model for 5 years- such a pita, especially the last 2 years. I wanna buy a new model with a few months; anybody knows if M3 is worth it?

Cora (she/her)11:01:02

compared to a 2018 model absolutely

Cora (she/her)11:01:13

compared to an m2 probably not

Cora (she/her)11:01:20

compared to an m1 maybe

Cora (she/her)11:01:21

but I guess it depends on what you do and how valuable a laptop that's fast and doesn't overheat is to you

cdpjenkins11:01:35

…and how valuable it is to be able to use the laptop on battery for many many hours without worrying about having to plug it in 😺

Cora (she/her)11:01:04

that, too. I forget people do that

cdpjenkins11:01:34

I’ve massively got in the habit of just working from wherever without worrying about plugging the laptop in… on the train, relaxing on the sofas at work, in a cafe for several hours… it’s almost got to the point where my laptop is like my phone and I only charge it at night. Not quite though, it needs a charge at lunchtime as well.

jumar12:01:53

Wondering about M2 vs M3 with respect to performance/price. Running on battery for very long time is not critical for me. But I do want a machine that I can keep usimg for 5+ years and not suffer

mauricio.szabo17:01:58

@UK0810AQ2 happened with me too, last job asked me to use a mac... ... I ended up installing Linux on a VM because I could not stand the esoteric stuff of Apple. Worked better than I though, although I woul prefer to just use Linux bare-metal

mauricio.szabo17:01:12

One thing that worries me is if things break. I live on a very humid place, and I heard this might short the SSD because of the way it was engineered in M1 and M2 (and if things go wrong here, I don't think I can find a place to fix it for a reasonable price)

andy.fingerhut17:01:44

@UK0810AQ2 "WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT 3 SECONDS FOR A TERMINAL TO OPEN, APPLE?" Do you mean that when you open Apple's http://Terminal.app, it takes 3 seconds for the terminal window to appear and be ready to use? I have never seen anything like that long (well under 1/4 sec for me -- fast enough I don't notice). The only exception I can recall is on a system where I had some fancy prompt generation bash scripts that ran a bunch of 'git' and 'hg' commands before generating each prompt, but things sped up when I disabled those.

Ben Sless17:01:59

@U0CMVHBL2 nothing fancy with the prompt, and I'm not a fan of the default terminal because it's worse than xterm so I usually use iTerm. Importantly I'm complaining about cold start, not time to open a window for a daemonized app

sergey.shvets04:01:07

I got m1 max 32gb, 1tb, 16 inches for something like 2300$ and it absolutely worth it. It's running circles around my maxxed out Intel 2019 mac I had. I took M1 for a ski workation and managed to put 11 hours over 5 days of clojure + repl programming on a battery with 30% to spare. Intel was barely getting 2-3 hours. The only downside that the aluminium body is suuuuuuuper cold on a chilly winter morning and you don't get an Intel's signature 3 seconds lap burn-TM. 🙂

sergey.shvets05:01:19

@UK0810AQ2 just checked on a standard terminal with a cold start -> it's probably 200ms for cold start if not less. Almost instant. Looks like something with iTerm

Ben Sless05:01:00

I'll try today, see what happens

cdpjenkins08:01:43

Sergey, you make a good point. My M1 Mac doesn't keep my fingers warm on a cold day like my Intel Mac did. :-)

Ben Sless09:01:55

Default terminal does open way faster than iTerm, still not sure what to do with its idiosyncrasies

henrik01:01:00

The five year roadmap for Clojure as announced in 2018 Conj was stripes, and possibly scarves. Excited to see this come to fruition in 2024.

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