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geraldodev15:09:25

imagine https://www.manning.com/books/clojure-the-essential-reference on a LLM that we could talk to. I bought the book but I forgot that I did.

dharrigan15:09:52

I wish Manning would release it tbh, they've been sitting on it for a long time now (it's complete from renzo)

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dharrigan15:09:00

No idea why Manning aren't releasing it

respatialized15:09:17

Maybe those of us who bought it in MEAP (myself included) should collectively ask for our money back?

Vincent15:09:47

don't tell me paper is the new camera film :weeping:

phill16:09:11

What's the difference between a MEAP that's known to be complete, and the final book?

Daniel Craig16:09:24

It's the biggest manning book ever, it's too long to print

respatialized16:09:26

@U0HG4EHMH the physical copy i paid extra for

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Thomas Moerman08:09:49

I was wondering about this too, perhaps they could release it in multiple printed volumes (to mitigate the upper bound for print book page length).

Noah Bogart13:09:14

I have no knowledge of costs/durability/etc tradeoffs, but looking at the shelf closest to me, I have many books that are bigger than 600 pages, and even more that are bigger than 400: crafting interpreters (600), Haskell in Depth ( 650), Head First Design Patterns ( 650), Cracking the Coding Interview (700), and Code Complete (~900). programming books can get big lol. These are all softcover, if that matters

Alex Miller (Clojure team)13:09:54

Paper is much more expensive now

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Noah Bogart13:09:28

oh wow, really? I had no idea

Daniel Craig15:09:04

I seem to remember Renzo stating in a podcast that the book was too long to print, but 600 pages doesn’t seem as long as what I thought it was.

dharrigan16:09:53

TBH, I'm not sure about the too long to print, or it being expensive. Manning is still right now printing books of similar (or more) pages. 2. Whilst the audience for such a book is smaller than say, Elasticsearch in Action (perhaps???), I'm hopeful it would be a good seller and thus be popular (for those in the know) to purchase (to support the cause!). I would be suprised if Manning does not have good deals on paper stock (Dunder Mifflin Paper Company do good deals I hear!) To randomly pick one non-representaive book just recently published - .NET MAU in Action is nearly 500 pages long - this feels like a book that would have a small market and yet they published it. I guess I'm just sorry to see it languish as an MEAP for such a long time rather than having it at least available to purchase from your favourite online bookstore!

respatialized19:09:55

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WPU091301 PPI (producer price index) on paper is up 26% in the past couple of years, higher than consumer inflation

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Katja10:12:08

Came here to look for this exactly. I'm always checking whether it's printed already, because I also paid for the real book to have on my book shelf with other programming books 😄 But feels kinda lame now, that it's ready and not printed... Altough it says it's still "in development". Is it sure they are not gonna print it soon ™️ ?