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Martynas Maciulevičius15:11:07

It's pretty sad that upon visiting twitter I get this new notification that says to log in with google (edit: this is not forced but still an included script). But this notification doesn't appear out of thin air -- the page notifies google about my presence in twitter and asks for the content of the notification... If they know my language by my IP then they must be deciding that in back-end... but I didn't even ask. I never logged in using google... why is it checked... 😞 Why would I even care about google login if I wanted to read some useless thing on twitter... 😞

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Martynas Maciulevičius15:11:46

My only other question is "why didn't they also check if I'm logged in to Facebook as well"...

Martynas Maciulevičius15:11:02

Ah right, they also ask apple that same question (yes, apple's scripts are also executed as well as google's). But for some reason it didn't show up.

Martynas Maciulevičius16:11:02

Also several months ago google has consolidated their scripts of captcha under the same domain name so now it's harder to block it by domain (previously it was and now it's just . So now I can't use an extension to selectively allow only captcha but not tracking. This is really sad.

Mateusz Mazurczak16:11:53

In a gesture of solidarity with twitter employees and promoting healthy work culture, I gave up on using twitter maybe that's the another reason to do so 😉

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pavlosmelissinos16:11:09

For what it's worth, I had a twitter account ages ago. At some point I realized I didn't need the account, so I've been using nitter instead for years. After the Musk takeover of twitter, I joined mastodon and it seems really nice.

Martynas Maciulevičius16:11:15

I didn't have twitter, created mastodon just for kicks to see what's happening. Turns out I don't use it 😄

Ben Sless17:11:24

\* the mastodon instance on the fediverse

pavlosmelissinos17:11:31

Oh wait, so you can't even read tweets now if you don't have an account?

Wanja Hentze17:11:01

aren't there hundreds of mastodon instances in the fediverse?

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Martynas Maciulevičius17:11:41

> Oh wait, so you can't even read tweets now if you don't have an account? You totally can. But I found it alarming that if I don't disable scripts it sends my info to google and apple

pavlosmelissinos17:11:07

Ah, now I get it. Sorry, I didn't catch that the first time. And yes it is alarming (although not unexpected I suppose).

Ben Sless17:11:21

There's some ambiguity in terminology which is convenient for a large instance which can pretend it is mastodon. Since they all implement ActivityPub, Pleroma instances and Mastodon instances can communicate just fine. But the owner of mastodon social (I think) had a fight with the pleroma dev and decided to behave like mastodon is the entirety of the network

Ben Sless17:11:01

but that's just ridiculous drama

Ben Sless17:11:25

getting back to the OP, I just use a bunch of add-ons and Brave

Ben Sless17:11:43

If you just want to read twitter in a privacy respecting manner, use nitter, which runs many instances, see http://nitter.net

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Martynas Maciulevičius17:11:28

What's funny is that nitter loads almost instantly whereas twitter loads kind of slow. And I do have quite a serious laptop with ryzen9 processor that can handle some load. 🤷 The render of the webpage is instant. No bullshit loaders or anything of that sort...

Ben Sless17:11:32

you can install a browser plugin which automatically redirects twatter links to nitter

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seancorfield18:11:00

I see that "login with Google" prompt appearing all over the place and I assumed it was coming from Chromium itself since I find it hard to believe so many websites have suddenly added this functionality?

seancorfield18:11:01

Also, regarding language, that's not done via IP but via the language settings in your browser, which then typically sends additional headers (to all websites) saying that you'd prefer specific languages if they have them.

Martynas Maciulevičius19:11:49

> not done via IP but via the language settings in your browser My language throughout the system is EN in all places. There is no translated thing at all. If I go to console I get this (I'm on Firefox):

navigator.language
"en-US"
If I open Tor and type the same thing into console I get this:
navigator.language
"en-US"
But the google login button looks like from Netherlands (I was connected to that kind of circuit) and then it changes to English after several seconds:

Martynas Maciulevičius19:11:32

So yes, the headers about language preferences are probably there. But the initial load is still based on IP address. It doesn't mean that your data is already profiled at that stage because it's only language. They could display nothing or gray area but they chose to translate by IP.

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walterl18:11:00

> "you can install a browser plugin which automatically redirects twatter links to nitter" https://libredirect.github.io/ forwards all the things

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pavlosmelissinos19:11:20

I've been using https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/privacy-redirect/ which seems to be equivalent (?) edit: libredirect seems to support more services, interesting...

Lyn Headley16:11:59

I'm thinking of writing a book and implementing it as a react native app, mostly just a bunch of HTML content but also with a couple of interactive widgets that I develop and use to illustrate the content. Might be an interesting experiment in how to distribute and monetize my content. Has anybody ever done anything like that or thought about it or have thoughts about it now?

adi06:11:28

I think you'll find pollen interesting: https://docs.racket-lang.org/pollen/

adi06:11:38

From the page... ----- Pollen: the book is a program Pollen is a publishing system that helps authors make functional and beautiful digital books. I created Pollen so I could make my web-based books http://practicaltypography.com, http://typographyforlawyers.com, and http://beautifulracket.com. Sure, go take a look. Are they better than the last digital books you encountered? Yes they are. Would you like your next digital book to work like that? If so, keep reading. At the core of Pollen is an argument: 1. Digital books should be the best books we’ve ever had. So far, they’re not even close. 2. Because digital books are software, an author shouldn’t think of a book as merely data. The book is a program. 3. The way we make digital books better than their predecessors is by exploiting this programmability. That’s what Pollen is for.

Lyn Headley12:11:37

Very cool, thank you.

Sam Ritchie04:11:42

See #C035GRLJEP8 too!!

Sam Ritchie04:11:15

I’m working on a bunch of interactive viewers and physics tooling for a dynamic book

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Sam Ritchie04:11:09

As a first pass example

Sam Ritchie00:11:48

(apologies, changed the project name and broke the link, up soon!)

Lyn Headley01:11:42

Can clerk notebooks be published as apps in an app store?

Sam Ritchie11:11:44

@UDF1WUJTH not out of the box but that’s an interesting idea for a static publication target cc @U5H74UNSF