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What would you use for serverside rendering of HTML if performance ins important? I am seeing Selmer and Hiccup being used, but also rum being an option for SSR (and claiming to be faster than hiccup).

i would be very surprise if any of them is faster than Selmer also be aware that hiccup doesn’t have a good story against XSS.

and between selmer and rum, do you need really need react? I think Selmer with a bit of https://htmx.org/ can take you far. That’s the choice we made a couple of weeks ago at least 🙂

Thanks! You can use rum entirely on the backend like hiccup, without any React: https://github.com/tonsky/rum#server-side-rendering But it’s more of a niche

but i am kid from the 80s, never really to into SPAs

Me neither, I’m trying SSR with progressive enhancement, so HTMX also looks promising, thanks! And I’m also leaning towards Selmer, doing most of the templating in HTML is really appealing

i know, we also checked rum, but decided to go with a traditional template engine as we had to have designers touch the templates

at the end our pages are not so dynamic, if we would have go with hiccup like syntax we wouldn’t really gain much.

Hiccup has a 2.0alpha which fixes the XSS hole

The thing I liked about hiccup is consistency in the markup, I’m often “visually overwhelmed” when mixing markup with tags. Having everything as Clojure code sounds nice, but in the end, it’s not easy to read a whole document written in Hiccup, either

@orestis yes, but it’s been in alpha for quiet some time. Not really sure if it’s evern going to be released.

I developed some internal tools using hiccup mainly because I could use the REPL on a production server 😉

Hiccup (alpha) is now also part of babashka.

Selmer isn’t yet but often a str/replace works just as well for me, for templating

We do use selmer in our production app. Also for email templates

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It'd be nice if people would choose less of Selmer and Enlive and more of https://github.com/weavejester/comb and https://github.com/Flamefork/fleet. Methinks.

comb also works from source with babashka. I once did a port of the Clojure Toolbox which uses babashka instead of ruby: https://github.com/borkdude/clojure-toolbox.com-babashka

I wasn’t aware of Fleet. Looks useful

@claudius.nicolae what’s their advantage?

plain clojure templating; same arguments as smarty vs plain php templates, whatever vs ERB, whatever vs EJS

actually enlive is somethig our designers would love 🙂

Today I learned there's more than Selmer and hiccup 😅

Thanks for sharing, did not know of these

On my projects, I'm using cljstache as it works with moustache, which a lot of frontender's know.

Tis rather good.

Beyond <embedded lang x> I only tolerate mustache - because it's generality, and generally avoid it too. And hiccup - hiccup is a good thing.

I use hbs because we have some handlebar templates lying around. But I’m converting some of those to hiccup so I can make components 🙂

I have my home PC and my work laptop hooked up to the same three monitors, the laptop has a docking station that has some USB ports so I plug my keyboard and mouse into that hub when I use laptop, then unplug them and plug them into PC when I'm finished with work. I also have to go hit the input buttons on the three monitors as well. Is their a simpler way that I Can reduce this down to pushing one button and not moving dongles?

Also annoying if I've been on work laptop all day and I switch keyboard back to my PC (Ubuntu) and it's on the lock screen, it doesnt' always recognise the keyboard is plugged in, so Ihave to plug and unplug it a few times...

There has to be a better way.

In the good old days there used to be KVM switches, but I don’t know how reliable that is in the newly digitized world

I don’t currently have a need for it, but this https://mtlynch.io/tinypilot/ looks kind of interesting. Would have to make sure security is up to snuff tho.