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David Pham07:05:02

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Cameron10:05:13

ruby is up there, I'd expect that, but was not expecting javascript to be so high (or rust so low)

Cameron10:05:09

also would not expect scala to be above haskell :thinking_face:

sova-soars-the-sora12:05:35

How nice and confirming! @zdot101 well if you look at the bars the main differences between scala and haskell are the "interesting" width if i'm looking at it right

seancorfield15:05:20

Interesting indeed. Pretty much every sentiment analysis I've seen has ranked Clojure #1 or very near the top. I'm actually surprised to see Scala so high up (I did Scala for about 18 months before coming to Clojure so my view is colored by the awful 2.7 -> 2.8 migration).

borkdude16:05:04

isn't that chart already quite old? or it's similar to something I've seen before

dpsutton16:05:23

i remember one for which programming subreddit cursed the most too

Charles H16:05:00

@cameron I feel like a lot of the negative sentiment around JS is pretty outdated. Modern JS is actually really rad IMO.

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mjw17:05:46

Not that anyone has the choice anymore šŸ˜‚

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Cameron06:05:04

Well, my reasoning was not 'javascript is bad so it should be at the bottom like php', just as I actually wouldn't even say that about php anymore -- modern php likewise has matured. But javascript here is ranking above haskell, golang , python , and rust -- all languages I'd expect to generate more hype (in their respective subreddits). Then again, I do wonder if quantity was accounted for, as javascript would likely dwarf everyone else in userbase (just checked, for instance, and Javascript has almost a million subscribers, almost twice the amount python has). I italicized python because to me, python would be the language in that list I would expect to compete the most directly with js -- and win -- in being that sort of dynamic, taught-to-beginners, 'vanilla' languages (although they aren't 100% competitors -- javascript is much more liberal, a little weird even, and python conservative)

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Cameron06:05:55

And python is just in general a language I see a notable amount of evangelism for

Aron07:05:02

certainly no one needs language bashing anywhere, especially not here, it's not proper to talk down on other languages, each has its own niche anyway that said, the committee driven design shows on JS. on the other hand, I've come to cljs recently exactly because I don't see my future in js, despite being expert in it because all JS work is either ā€¢ node js ā€¢ typescript ā€¢ exclusively some framework There is no one who expects you to just write simple js nowadays, everyone is looking for something more - because of typescript and react native and similar projects that extend the language beyond its initial scope. So I figured, if I have to switch to something that compiles to js, I know a language that fits my own needs better.

Charles H16:05:51

I am getting tired of frameworks personally. It feels like all the important decisions have been made for me a lot of the time and that's just less satisfying compared to my embedded C++ days... Certainly don't want to go back to C++ though lol

Aron16:05:20

Frameworks are solutions in search for a problem.

Aron16:05:52

I want to control the whole stack, frameworks are too limited. But sometimes it makes sense to be able to call in 10 more people from bench who already know the architecture

Charles H19:05:01

Oh my, look at this one. Re: JavaScript..

Charles H19:05:35

Negative sentiment comparison of languages^

Charles H20:05:53

but please note that this was from 5 years ago. A lot has changed for JS since

sova-soars-the-sora20:05:19

No doubt, JS went from alerts to very concise function notation two decades later, so there's probably a lot of aged material in the archive. I find myself being less and less able to read javascript out of the box as time goes on šŸ˜„

sova-soars-the-sora20:05:43

gotta date the js like vintage wine

seancorfield20:05:21

It probably doesn't help that there's also CoffeeScript and TypeScript which look more or less like JS... I used to hate CS when I first encountered it but I've sort of gotten used to it now, as the init script for Atom.

Lennart Buit20:05:24

CoffeeScript is just odd to me, I understand where it came from and what gap it was filling at the time, but now it just feels like its superseded by what is now in JavaScript

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Cameron06:05:04

Well, my reasoning was not 'javascript is bad so it should be at the bottom like php', just as I actually wouldn't even say that about php anymore -- modern php likewise has matured. But javascript here is ranking above haskell, golang , python , and rust -- all languages I'd expect to generate more hype (in their respective subreddits). Then again, I do wonder if quantity was accounted for, as javascript would likely dwarf everyone else in userbase (just checked, for instance, and Javascript has almost a million subscribers, almost twice the amount python has). I italicized python because to me, python would be the language in that list I would expect to compete the most directly with js -- and win -- in being that sort of dynamic, taught-to-beginners, 'vanilla' languages (although they aren't 100% competitors -- javascript is much more liberal, a little weird even, and python conservative)

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