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my macbook is dying and i want to get a new laptop, but i don’t want another mac. i’d love tips for laptops people like to use linux on
i don’t like the recent keyboards on the mac (tho i’ve heard the latest one fixed that), plus i miss linux
yeah, I were going to buy a new laptop today I'd go for the 16" macbook. I already bought a new 15" a few months ago
FWIW, they’ve reverted most of the unpopular changes to the MacBook line that’s happened the last few years, including the keyboard.
I've had really good luck with the Dell Precision laptops. I have one at home and at work both running Linux with... not too much trouble 🙂
i used arch before. the only friction i had with it was me breaking my machine twice by upgrading some package… i need to be a bit more careful in the future
anyone using debian? i like the stability of it (for the reason that i apparently break stuff easily), but i fear not being able to install latest packages… but i guess i shouldn’t
For me, ArchLinux is the most stable linux distro for one reason: it do not do automatic stuff. No auto updates No auto configure on install no auto start on install... Debian, ubuntu, fedora... all these distros will blow up because they try to reconfigure on update but you customize the instalation then it will try to understand what you change and it do not work.
i just have to figure out dell vs thinkpad now then. i had a thinkpad before and i loved it, but i’ve read the recent x1 carbon has cpu throttling issues with linux
Another thing I like about Arch (apart from it's fantastic flexibility), is that if you install a new service, it doesn't get enabled by default, you have to explicitly enable it (after of course, checking the configuration etc...), i.e., no magic services like on Ubuntu
yeah, i remember loving arch. im not looking forward to setup a new machine tho
i made a bootstrap script before but i’ve probably forgotten what most of it does
All my machine are configured/controlled by Ansible. After an initial install from Arch, I run ansible against the nearly blank install and away it goes...after a few minutes, my machine (or vm!) is up to the same level as all the rest.
my 2010 MBP HD died the other week; a quick trip to https://www.macupgrades.co.uk and it was back and running
@U793EL04V its not super old, but i’ve wanted an upgrade anyways. i’ll convert it to be a mediapc at home instead 🙂
re: arch linux - if you don't want to go through so much setup, manjaro linux is based on it and at least the setup is much simpler. (former arch linux user here)
if you want to know how things work and don't mind spending that time, i'd say go for arch linux first
cool, i guess you’re happy? did manjaro abstract away anything more besides the initial setup?
you don't get exactly the same stuff because they swap in some of their own things (or some modifications). but they tend to batch release after some testing, so i found the overall experience to be more stable.
sounds good, i’ll take a look at that as well. i’ve ordered an thinkpad x1 carbon now, looking forward to using linux again
all choices in os come with trade-offs -- i think i find things to be happy about in any choice. for being able to make your own packages and quickly tweak others, arch linux is quite good.
i just want to find a home where im comfortable with fixing issues. i remember liking the freedom in arch
I like the “i find things to be happy about in any choice”. Positive way to look at it.
I know you mentioned Linux, but in case you're curious I use it to great effect with a EGPU for gaming on windows
ah, nice to know. im planning to keep windows on a small partition just in case
I'm inclined to repeat business with http://system76.com I've bought 4 machines through them, and I've always been happy. Everything has worked. And if I had questions or problems - they were totally on the ball.
good question. I mostly dock the laptop and use a Kinesys keyboard and external mouse.
Yes, i wish i could have the trackpad from a MacBook, they're pretty much perfect if you ask me
the x1c6 trackpad is decent, since it's a precision trackpad and thus managed by microsoft, with native gestures
you can get the external mac trackpad, and try to use https://github.com/imbushuo/mac-precision-touchpad
AFAIK there's no external precision on sale for windows... but there is one that looks good for chromebook
yeah i know of the external mac trackpad, but i don’t like the idea of carrying around an external accessory. i like everything built in
@U2J4FRT2T for me Nixos is the most stable distro. It does everything automatically while still being dependable because every part is built with the foundation of immutability and functional programming 😄 Usually you communicate your needs via config file, instead of firing arbitrary command lines
@U0E2YV1UZ i tried getting into nixOS but i just couldnt get over how to do the configs. i really tried but i guess im not smart enough
i would love to use it tho, because its really cool how you can rollback if you break something
@UNNA27M5L it's not easy to start with, just like Clojure. Keep the growth mindset, don't say you're not smart enough
🙂 im just reveling in my lazyness. i’ll take a look at it again when i install my new computer
i found nixos to be an amazing experience, but 1) didn't have the time to keep building, 2) don't like the language that was needed at the time for configs. if i could survive with what guix has to offer, i might consider them again.
My argument boils down to the fact that the Infinite Canvas is a poor analogy for RAM.
Because with functional programming, we want to map and filter and reduce, and not care about which couch something is behind currently. But there are few things in nature like the free wizard space of RAM and FP. Wondering what a good analogy would be.
If you are saying that a Turing Machine has never been physically implemented, then you are correct -- every computer is finite. In a very strict sense, every existing computer is a finite state machine, not a Turing Machine. However, the number of states is so huge that they can be in far more states than any human can comprehend in a reasonable manner.
Turing machines are primarily a useful abstraction representing one of the simplest possible set of operations required to get as general of computability power, in terms of what problems it is capable of solving, as any more complex realistic computer is capable of performing. So it is useful for theoreticians to prove results about.
What kind of diagrams do people use to architect\plan projects in an FP lang like Clojure?
FYI: conj videos are showing up... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaLlzGqiPE2QRj6sSOawJRg
Right, I didn't mean to post that todo list! That was actually supposed to go to the standups channel in work slack but I accidentally posted it here. 😞
In terms of what I was asking, I'm thinking what you would use in place of a UML class diagram for architecting a FP project?
Free form seems to be the most common thing. This is Rich Hickey in Effective Programs:
How many people like UML? How many people have ever used a UML diagramming tool? Right? It's not fun, right? It's like, "no, you can't connect that to that", "oh no, you have to use that kind of arrow", "no, you can't do this", "no, you can't...", it's terrible. OmniGraffle is much better, draw whatever you want. What are you thinking about? Draw that. What's important? Write that down. That's how it should work, right?
That's a fair criticism. I guess I'm just looking for ways to represent aspects of an FP application. Side effects, function params, data flow, etc...
I really just use the docs and docstrings for that. It would be redundant for me to do a diagram as well, but I guess it depends on your organization's needs.
luckily there are some diagrams from cognitect that might be interesting as samples: prepl, spec, and clj / tools.deps come to mind
We use Lucidchart at work, which is UML (I think). It’s kind of terrible, but can be useful to communicate high-level architecture to many different groups of people.
I reach for plantuml when I want to draw. You can represent in text... often I represent in edn and then write a tiny program to translate that into planuml text... http://plantuml.com/
If I just want to show how stuff is related (like dependencies or such) I use the "dot" command. which is a part of https://www.graphviz.org/
This isn’t quite what you’re asking for, but Hodur allows you to define the domain model as data and visualize it: https://github.com/hodur-org/hodur-engine
I went hunting and also found a graphviz + spec thing: https://github.com/jebberjeb/specviz
@UJAJTU4G3 digging them up -- here's the prepl one for starters: https://clojure.org/images/content/reference/prepl/prepl.png
here's the clj / clojure one: https://clojure.org/images/content/guides/deps/deps.png
here's a spec one: http://insideclojure.org/images/spec-namespaces.png
Found another diagramming tool from a Clojure meetup about https://github.com/FundingCircle/fc4-framework but I'm very curious about what decisions people make to represent FP styled programs.
possibly relevant -- stuart sierra's 2012 strangeloop talk on function design patterns spells out some definitions. don't know if it's worth trying to capture that type of info in these types of diagrams.
as long as i get to see some good diagrams, i'll be happy -- though the actual drawing seems to have some nice side-effects sometimes
Good point here. "I wanted to update some diagram someone else made with OmniGraffle"