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shem10:10:32

@richiardiandrea somebody suggested lenovo t495, haven't used one myself

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richiardiandrea15:10:21

Was wondering how it compares and if it makes sense to go for it in order to avoid security surprises 😃

walterl15:10:16

There are probably similar security surprises with Ryzen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryzen#Spectre

richiardiandrea16:10:34

Oh thanks for sharing

richiardiandrea16:10:10

The last part of the paragraph is what I am aiming for 😃

walterl16:10:47

My skepticism makes me read that as "we haven't found the other issues yet" 😜

walterl16:10:50

Still, I hope you'll report back about your experience if you do go down that route. I for one would be quite interested to hear how it compares. Especially for Clojure dev 🙂

henrik18:10:55

Good bang/buck ratio with Ryzen though.

sogaiu21:10:27

@U06B8J0AJ so would you say that intel hasn't adjusted their prices sufficiently in response already then? ryzen stuff has now been out for around 2 years, no?

sogaiu21:10:32

for a notebook i wonder whether it's likely customers can get much savings overall -- i wonder whether makers would just try to absorb any possible savings. for a desktop or other self-built thing, may be it's a different story.

henrik21:10:31

Intel has been forced down a bit, but I understand that the Ryzen 3xxx parts are very competitively priced for what you get.

sogaiu21:10:57

ah, thanks for that.

henrik21:10:28

And finally go head to head and at times surpass Intel, performance wise.

bherrmann10:10:43

When I look for a laptop I seem to always come back to either Dell, or system76. Everything else seems too fringe. I tend to have confusing constraints, I always work with two 4k monitors at home, but 1 day a week I'm in the office with just the laptop. I run a lot of docker containers, ide, chrome, so I do use all of my 32G of Ram

richiardiandrea19:10:44

I was looking at Lenovos but they don't seem to have zen 2 arch yet

henrik20:10:39

Maybe it’s my Clojure centric world view, but it seems like so much is converging on React that they might as well build it into the web browser.

gklijs20:10:33

At least here the Netherlands frontend is most often Angular 😞

henrik20:10:20

I have only looked at Angular 1 way back when, I’m told it’s shaped up a bit since then.

chepprey20:10:38

It would make sense to me that they build in the concept of "shadow DOM" into browsers, formalize the notion of having a bunch of DOM manipulations made via Javascript logic, then "committed" (at which point the diffs are calculated, and miminal effort is made to render the actual changes)

chepprey20:10:54

I'm not entirely sure if React includes more than this. 😄 My only React experience is via Reagent

henrik20:10:57

That would be fine for something built into the browser I think. Yeah, presumably it could be made quite speedy if written in, for example, Rust (in the case of Firefox).

dominicm20:10:04

react includes way more than that 🙂

dominicm20:10:20

the virtual-dom is the uninteresting part of react.

chepprey21:10:41

Out of morbid curiosity, what's the 10-second tour of React, the stuff between shadow-DOM and Redux (not-inclusive)?

henrik21:10:00

But maybe it’s the most generally applicable part of it.

Alexander Heldt21:10:44

anyone here reading programming (or anything non-fiction) books on a table or something like a kindle? any opinions? i want to get a device to read programming books but can’t figure out if kindle is good enough. i don’t think i want to take annotations on the device

seancorfield21:10:22

I just get all my books in PDF form and then I can read them on any device or computer I have available (even my little iPhone although that's a bit of a strain on the eyes).

sogaiu21:10:30

i use an onyx max 2 -- it's slow and not nearly as reliable as other mainstream options, but as seancorfield has hinted at, the eye experience is way better. when my eyes start hurting, this is what i use. the mobileread forums are a pretty good place to learn more about this type of thing.

sogaiu21:10:50

imo, the annotation story on these e-ink devices is not good (with stories of data loss), so if that's important, a fair bit of care might be helpful, but care may not be sufficient.

dpsutton21:10:23

if you read lots of pdfs with diagrams the remarkable is expensive but highly regarded

Alexander Heldt21:10:50

that seems like a great product, thanks for the tip

dominicm21:10:16

@chepprey the event stuff is pretty nice. You quickly forget how nasty DOM events really are (e.g. checkboxes don't have an onChange event normally!).

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dominicm21:10:34

Most of the clones don't have that.

henrik21:10:24

That’s true. And different behavior, firing order and so on, in different browsers and browser versions.

dominicm21:10:44

amazingly, I can't find a single "features list" for react which includes that.

dominicm21:10:55

https://www.javatpoint.com/react-features this one has "simplicity" and not events.

dominicm21:10:45

but there's also a lot around how they provide things like refs, portals, hooks, etc. The reduced number of foot-guns for interacting with javascript.

henrik21:10:34

That stuff I don’t actually see much of when working from ClojureScript, so I’m less aware of it as a major selling point.