Was wondering how it compares and if it makes sense to go for it in order to avoid security surprises 😃

There are probably similar security surprises with Ryzen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryzen#Spectre

Oh thanks for sharing

The last part of the paragraph is what I am aiming for 😃

My skepticism makes me read that as "we haven't found the other issues yet" 😜

Still, I hope you'll report back about your experience if you do go down that route. I for one would be quite interested to hear how it compares. Especially for Clojure dev 🙂

Good bang/buck ratio with Ryzen though.

@U06B8J0AJ so would you say that intel hasn't adjusted their prices sufficiently in response already then? ryzen stuff has now been out for around 2 years, no?

for a notebook i wonder whether it's likely customers can get much savings overall -- i wonder whether makers would just try to absorb any possible savings. for a desktop or other self-built thing, may be it's a different story.

Intel has been forced down a bit, but I understand that the Ryzen 3xxx parts are very competitively priced for what you get.

ah, thanks for that.

And finally go head to head and at times surpass Intel, performance wise.

When I look for a laptop I seem to always come back to either Dell, or system76. Everything else seems too fringe. I tend to have confusing constraints, I always work with two 4k monitors at home, but 1 day a week I'm in the office with just the laptop. I run a lot of docker containers, ide, chrome, so I do use all of my 32G of Ram

I was looking at Lenovos but they don't seem to have zen 2 arch yet

I just get all my books in PDF form and then I can read them on any device or computer I have available (even my little iPhone although that's a bit of a strain on the eyes).

i use an onyx max 2 -- it's slow and not nearly as reliable as other mainstream options, but as seancorfield has hinted at, the eye experience is way better. when my eyes start hurting, this is what i use. the mobileread forums are a pretty good place to learn more about this type of thing.

imo, the annotation story on these e-ink devices is not good (with stories of data loss), so if that's important, a fair bit of care might be helpful, but care may not be sufficient.

that seems like a great product, thanks for the tip