@john seems like a cool idea, although might have some of the same issues as pgp around how do you actually establish trust with people and pragmatically exchange keys

Well, fb and Twitter often have personal friends. Especially fb. You could auto share keys locally or just trust the dht to rendezvous, like we do with block chain

The strongest trust is initially sharing keys face to face

@michael.gaare but large p2p networks can provide a pretty trust worthy rendezvous if you send some unique id out of band, like #blockchain eagle-screams

same is true with pgp keys, but it proved to be one of the big stumbling blocks to any significant adoption from what I understand

@john What if one doesn’t have a lot of friends and especially not a lot of computer savvy friends 😞 Your project will leave out the loners 😄 Joke aside, I think nowadays this is a substantial portion of the population. Also, isn’t the benefit of blockchain namely this - one doesn’t need to “trust” the other participants?

IIRC, the Idris type-checker already allows you to check your programs for totality

I found working through “Type-driven development with Idris” very compelling and it really felt like the “future of programming” to me

Any Emacs users? What packages do you use apart from (obviously) CIDER? (I would like to try Emacs to do Clojure development)

joker + flycheck is a nice addition

then the usual suspects: paredit / yas etc

I heard of some clojure-mode package

@gr.evocatus I have been using joker for a long time. Since a few weeks I’m using my minimal linter as well. https://github.com/borkdude/clj-kondo/ https://github.com/borkdude/flycheck-clj-kondo

One way to communicate with globally precise names is to use namespaced keywords and EDN (or Transit). Are there other data interchange formats that have the same thing?

@jaihindhreddy JSON supports “foo/bar” as field names as well

Something that distinguishes b/w names and strings?

Yeah, then transit is better

In the key position, it's fine but when I want to send a bunch of names in an array somewhere

The distinction matters

I have the same problem with symbols as keys

Hmm... I never quite understood why two different reified name types are needed

Can't symbols do everything keywords do

symbols are mostly used for vars. keywords for data

but yeah, good question. I’d like to know more about this too

Yeah, but as far as communication b/w programs is concerned, except for the inconvenience of quoting symbols everywhere

I can't see a fundamental advantage to having keywords separately

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1527548/why-does-clojure-have-keywords-in-addition-to-symbols

@borkdude is clj-kondo doing anything joker doesn't support yet?

I am trying to evaluate if a switch is worth it or not

yeah, that’s the point of clj-kondo. as a joker user I wanted some features that weren’t in joker yet, and I decided to try it myself.

so I’m using them both

it’s fairly alpha and the code is hacky, but it already provides useful feedback in my editor

like arity errors across namespace boundaries

and linting inside comments, where I usually experiment when working in a namespace

> like arity errors across namespace boundaries sounds cool

yeah. I already detected one in an open source project: https://github.com/Commonfare-net/just-auth/issues/29

about symbols/keywords: I’ve wondered if it matters for performance when using a giant map with symbol keys or keyword keys. probably not?

@mpenet here it’s documented how you can enable both joker and clj-kondo: https://github.com/borkdude/flycheck-clj-kondo

what kind of overhead does it add? how fast is it compared to joker atm?

joker adds quite a bit it seems but the benefits outweight the costs imho

what overhead does joker add for you?

btw, it’s very fast. linting a single file takes only 10-40 ms. you can see how much time linting a file took in the last line of the output

Hi everyone, one of our mobile apps is a Webby finalist. It’s written in Clojurescript with Reagent and Keechma, and it would help us a lot if you would vote for us on this link - https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2019/apps-mobile-and-voice/apps-mobile-sites-general/lifestyle . The app is named Loosid . The interesting part is that it was built by 1.5 frontend devs over 6 months, during which we survived multiple redesigns and pivots 🙂 . I’ll probably do a writeup about the general architecture, and how we used our stack to our advantage. If you want to find out more about Keechma you can ping me over at the #keechma channel

Re: Tau.alpha - that looks really cool! What are people doing to manage concurrency in NodeJs CLJS?

2019 Stack Overflow survey findings are out. Kind of interesting. Still has Clojure developers as most paid (and experienced after F# which is also a functional language, right?). Also well loved of course. https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019

One trend I don't quite understand is that clojure ranks quite low on the "Most Wanted" category which doesn't seem to be true for the other "Most Loved" languages. I hope it doesn't indicate a lack of people wanting to try and use clojure. We gotta get them to try it before we can get them to love it!

FOP (fear of parens)

I’d file that under They Don’t Know What They’re Missing

Is anyone experiencing headaches from using their tower desktops?

I turned mine on. And I have a migraine, bad today. I am suspecting that it is off gassing from the plastics heating up.

Looking for some opinions for a UI testing question, you have the option of going with one data-test-id with multiple values or multiple data-test-* keys each with single values which option do you choose?

We need to get Rich one of these. https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ZsW5lgayQl1uX6w/giphy.gif Just imagine the quality hammock time he’d get!