Guido steps down as BDFL. With clojure being one of the most friendly communities it's a gentle reminder to be nice and kind in the discussions with contributors. Rich has played a significant role in keeping Clojure simple and hope our discussions stay polite. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005664.html

Guido is 62. What age is Rich btw?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Clojure/comments/833xur/just_curious_how_old_is_rich_hickey/

The whole drama around the assignment expression operator in Python that led to GvR stepping down makes me appreciate macros more. The ability to introduce new syntax as a library without touching core is certainly a strong plus for Clojure (and most lisps)

well some things are better implemented at the core language level for other reason, like adoption

ex very few use stuff like core.match (or pattern matching libs in general), even tho it's (arguably) quite good

To tell the truth, I'm not much of a Python fan - I tolerate it when I need to, but I don't like it all that much. Certainly something to reach for before perl though.

lightweightness has other advantages

Python certainly isn't my favorite language, but on the whole I'd choose it over anything else in the TIOBE top ten (modulo problem-specific needs like performance).

In general, I would take Ruby over Python - but I don't know what is in the top ten. And it would also depend on the task

The scoping n Python is almost as crazy as R

how do people feel about wrapping a REST api in the following manner. The api is all GET endpoints, such as /pets/{pet-id}/ and /pets/{pet-id}/owner-history?range=1year. I want to just extract the params from the endpoint url and combine them with query params in a map. then use the param-less url as keyword, and make calls in the following manner:

(my.api/q [:pets {:pet-id 23}])

(my.api/q [:pets/owner-history {:pet-id 23 :range "1year"}])

Yeah, that looks pretty broken - there is no way in the world that JavaScript is not 1 or 2. That should be a real red flag to the TIOBE people to look into what they are doing wrong

your periodic reminder that TIOBE is garbage

it’s just nonsense around google hit count

🤷 had it been anything serious I would have gone looking for something better 🙂

TIOBE's only advantage is that it's the only one I remember off the top of my head 😜

the red monk ratings that combine stackoverflow with github are (while flawed), far better imo

thoughtworks actually has some proprietary reports that combine things like those with surveys of private companies and proprietary code bases

which I think is even better

depending what question you’re trying to answer

So @jsa-aerial the redmonk one does include ruby in the top 10: JavaScript, Java, Python, PHP, C#, C++, CSS, Ruby, C, Swift

It was just "how good/bad is python compared to other top-10 langs."

Well, that certainly looks more reasonable. They should still filter out stuff like CSS and SQL though, that's just noise for something like this