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qqq05:01:04

I was just reading https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/7phrbu/what_am_i_missing_here/ , in particular, the response comment about "solving climate change via giant sunshades placed at the lagrangian between earth & sun" I have no idea what that means --but is this realistic? placing giant solar panels between the sun & earth so that: 1. we capture the energy via solar panels before it hits the earth 2. earth is cooler as the lightrays doesn't hit the earth

gonewest81806:01:59

That would be an excellent question to bring to the annual Jet Propulsion Laboratory open house (dates for this year not yet announced). https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/events/special-events.php

valtteri06:01:47

Idea of placing solar plants into space has been around for decades. And it’s totally doable but it’s extremely expensive to lift the materials up there.

gonewest81806:01:30

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_sunshade - the total area of the panels would be a massive 3.8 million square kilometers, which by coincidence is approximately the total land area of all 50 United States. Navigationally the shade would need to make course corrections to remain at the L1 Lagrangian point because that point is unstable (be slightly off-course and you fall into either the Sun or the Earth) and I think I read the entire apparatus would be like a huge sail in the solar wind.

valtteri06:01:58

IMO it describes the human race pretty nicely that instead of thinking how to change our destructive lifestyle on this planet we think how to block the Sun.

gonewest81806:01:25

I bet if you could somehow poll all of humanity you’d find more attention to the former idea than the latter, but disappointingly less attention on either idea than would be required.

valtteri07:01:22

Better phrasing would’ve probably been “us humans”. 🙂 But anyways, you’re probably right.. Technological advancement/innovations/science is the only way to get out of this mess and luckily there are millions of smart people working on things that make the World/humanity go forward each day. I just hope that technology beats the destructiveness before we begin to boil.

valtteri07:01:14

Then again.. There are millions of people who only think how to mine bitcoin with that technology. And billions of people who wonder if you can watch porn with it.

andy.fingerhut07:01:56

the lifestyle isn't destructive if you tech your way to avoid the destruction.

valtteri07:01:06

I’m not completely buying that logic. 🙂

gonewest81806:01:35

Hey, tangentially, anybody know if Larry Niven’s “Ringworld” books hold up well against time? I read them in the days of the Apple II and the Sinclair ZX (or maybe more like the C64, can’t exactly remember). https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/71/Ringworld%281stEd%29.jpg

qqq07:01:15

what's the distance with respect to the l1 lagrangian / if we atttached lasers there, is the ping time low enough we can mine bitcoin with all the solar energy collected there?

qqq07:01:59

this pitch would hit all the right words for VCs: bit coin, crypto currency, solar power, clear energy, climate change, rockets, space tech

gonewest81807:01:38

You forgot deep learning!

gonewest81807:01:04

They say the L1 Lagrangian is a million miles from Earth, so your roundtrip ping time would be almost 11 seconds.

3Jane11:01:12

Ah, you can get by without spending a lot of money on pens. I use Pilot Kakuno with a fine nib (Japanese, which I guess makes it SF by European standards). I think the finer nib makes ink dry faster, but then again I used TR for art including markers and sometimes watercolours, so the entire lightly coated/non-absorbent thing was a plus 🙂

burke13:01:42

Im looking for a conference something similar to International Conference on Fun with Algorithms (http://drops.dagstuhl.de/opus/portals/lipics/index.php?semnr=16004). Does anyone know a conference/journal about funny or unnecessary complicated solutions for engineering/computer-science problems? A year ago, I read a blog post from someone who wrote an interesting paper for such a conference (the conference was named after an inventor or scientist ...) but I forgot what he wrote about or what the name of the conference was 😖

vijaykiran13:01:37

there is a hackathon - not sure if that’s in the same zone - http://www.stupidhackathon.com

mbjarland13:01:29

Hi clojurians, I have a question about general code of conduct on open source projects

mbjarland13:01:01

I have a pr on a project that has been hanging for a number of months and the last commit on that project was 2013...so it seems pretty dormant

mbjarland13:01:00

I tried contacting the maintainer to see if I could contribute/help out in some way (improve tests, help out with the deployment etc) to get things moving but the email bounced

mbjarland13:01:13

and the maintainer does not seem to have been active for a while (number of years on github)

mbjarland13:01:54

and I need that feature in other projects I'm working on

mbjarland13:01:41

I can of course fork and/or re-implement the project myself (it's a one pager and not that much code, distributed under epl), but the last thing I want it to step on somebodys toes etc...so what is the "correct" process in this kind of situation?

dominicm14:01:12

Forking is a normal part of Open Source. No toes will be hurt by your fork!

mbjarland15:01:52

yeah, my worry was abot forking followed by a publish to clojars under a different name

tcarls16:01:38

completely appropriate. Clearly document that your code is a fork, who the upstream is, &c. and there's no room for anyone to be offended.

dominicm17:01:14

Publishing to clojars under a different name is als ogood 🙂

burke13:01:37

@vijaykiran that is nice, but its missing the (pseudo-)scientific component

dpsutton15:01:03

looks like github is down

dominicm15:01:18

Time to go have a sword fight from a chair

dominicm15:01:36

How do remote teams handle slack going down? Out of curiosity.

mpenet15:01:22

but... that never happens to maven central

mpenet15:01:56

that would have a better effect on #tools-deps

schmee16:01:12

does anyone know the name of the font used in this screenshot? https://raw.githubusercontent.com/rakr/vim-one/master/screenshots/new-logo.png

andre.stylianos16:01:34

That definitely looks nice

schmee16:01:13

€199… 😑

andre.stylianos16:01:06

looks really good, but a little bit out of my range 😂 Thanks for letting me know!

schmee16:01:59

apparently you can get the english-only version without all the bells and whistles for €19, that’s not too bad 🙂

andre.stylianos17:01:28

Haven't found a place to check exactly what bells and whistles are missing from that version :thinking_face:

borkdude18:01:31

Why does one pronounce Livingstone as li-ving-stun instead of li-ving-stone (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNhE-LQUmOk) One doesn’t say Flint-stun instead of flint-stone either, right?

scriptor18:01:52

spoken language changes, written language doesn't always catch up

gonewest81818:01:05

Worcester, Gloucester … Dorcester

chris18:01:37

or leicestershire

chris18:01:45

for a doubly-confusing version

justinlee19:01:09

supposedly Pittsburgh would have originally been pronounced like Edinburgh

noisesmith19:01:07

Portland, Oregon is pronounced “turn back, we’re full”

dominicm20:01:28

@chris you pronounce leicester different to Gloucester though. Leicester is more like Lest-aah.

dominicm20:01:34

(or so the locals call it)

pablore20:01:01

Was trying to make an easy Clojure implementation in Python by copying the Java source code for Clojure and came to this: https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/src/jvm/clojure/lang/AFn.java Couldnt this be done in a better way? Is this because Java doesn’t have multiple arguments in methods and has to relay on method overloading?

scriptor20:01:10

scala has something similar

scriptor20:01:48

I figured it was an optimization

phronmophobic21:01:49

there is actually a call with var args for AFn invoke, but only for >20 params https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/src/jvm/clojure/lang/AFn.java#L135

jgh22:01:32

android studio is still terrible

jgh22:01:24

sry, having to work on some android stuff today and it’s not fun or smooth 😞

seancorfield22:01:18

Re: earlier pronunciation thread... try Featherstonehaugh and Cholmondeley ...

seancorfield22:01:03

It's Fanshaw and Chumly 🙂

phronmophobic22:01:42

@jgh, are you using clojure on android? if so, how is that ?

fellshard22:01:15

Do you use IntelliJ normally? And do you have an external emulator?

jgh22:01:06

im not using clojure on android no

jgh22:01:23

normally i dont do any android development and stick to sublime 😉

jgh22:01:47

but occasionally i need to do some stuff for android and it’s always the worst

fellshard22:01:19

Kotlin's Android ecosystem may make that a bit nicer