@andy.fingerhut not necessarily. One can remove the dynamic var binding stuff from Clojure code on compilation time (for like 95% of Clojure code) which would make Clojure startup as fast as Scala. That stuff isn’t exactly useful in production for most of the time, it’s there mostly for development experience

there’s already some work on that done

but of course Scala Native is a different story since that thing compiles to binary

so unless Clojure will get native compilation (super unlikely) it will never beat Scala Native

when it comes to startup time that is, for execution speed the story is not so straightforward

@niklas.collin no what you said is just not true

in fact "remove the dynamic var binding stuff" is something that clojure already does with direct linking

so I've been writing quite a bit of APL lately, and I've noticed, as a result, that my clojure code: 1. is shorter in terms of lines 2. is longer in times of chars per line

I now regularly have intermediate lines (say the binding part of a let) that ends in 7-7 consecutive ]})'s