after just a few years with osx, it's amazing how much hackery is required to get even the most basic things to work in linux

after a few years with linux, you won't miss your shackles anymore

thing is, my cusomers pay me to deliver results, not tweak linux and read forums

Lol, I moved back to linux 5-6 years ago, when I realised I can't live with OSX anymore: no decent tiling WM, no fresh binary precompiled packages (brew was in its infancy, fink ones were outdated), it was pretty hard to use Emacs daemon/client out of the box. Coreutils sucked (I had to install GNU's and make aliases for everything). No, just thank you. Besides that most of my configuration files were tweaked many years ago — I don't have to do it from scratch anymore.

After working on osx for 4 years I'm very happy my current employer is using Linux. Apple always wants to implement every thing there own way. Why use a standard if you can invent your own

And it took me 10 mins to setup Ubuntu + Emacs (Spacemacs) and get to work

I have to say tho, that I dont like redhat based distro's 🙂

I moved in the other direction linux->osx 5 years ago after having exclusively used linux for about 10 years. I don’t see myself going back to Linux anytime soon.

The thing is I don't use heavy complex packages like KDE/Gnome/Libreoffice/etc. On the other hand Emacs/Stumpwm/Urxvt are pretty stable for years. So everything I need just works and there's no reason to switch.

I prefer having to build a lego house from the ground up (minimal distro, choice of wm, de, editor, scripting stuff yourself) than have to destruct a scale model to fix a bit of furniture 😛

depends on people’s needs.I used to spend weeks trying to get wifi, sound and video to work. Not to mention that if I needed to give a presentation, my laptop wouldn’t work with whatever overhead projector was being used. I’m past spending time trying to get those things to work.

Plus, upgrading was also a nightmare everytime. Haven’t had an issued upgrading OSX.

But I also don’t use tiling WMs, I am fine having a desktop manager. I just want to get off the ground working as soon as possible (hopefully within the same day) and be confident wifi, sound and video work without glitches.

Oh, and if sound is working, I would still have to figure out how to enable mp3

Things might have changed since 2007, but I’m pretty comfortable where I’m at. Don’t have any need to go and find out for myself 🙂

Yes, it definitely depends on your needs, and also on your hardware 🙂. I can't remember any serious hardware problems with mine. Usually everything works OOtB and I check compatibility before buying.

>Oh, and if sound is working, I would still have to figure out how to enable mp3 just install player that can play it, there are plenty

yep, that wasn’t the case in 2007. You had to install mp3 packages explicitly.

Especially in Fedora.

Something to do with we “mp3 is not free enough for us”

that mantra also started bothering me

AFAIR back in 2007 I used xmms and it worked just fine

mp3 was proprietary. i think the patent recently expired

The biggest problem I have with Apple / OSx is that its is majorly over priced

And certainly the last generation, they just added $350 on top without any thing to show for it

when I factor in the time I used to spend configuring and tweaking a Linux desktop, I find the price for an MBP justifiable.

that was billable time that I lost

For me I find the time invested in configuration has been paid off in productivity

interesting, I find myself being more productive in OSX than Linux.

maybe because in Linux was always in tweaking mentality that if the most insignificant thing was not to my liking, I would try to tweak that too

With the arrival of Ubuntu , I have had zero problems with drivers or configuration

but it could have also had to do with my age. The older I get, the less I worry about how things look

Yeah I gave up on ricing and just focused on getting sh*t done

@robert yeah, my current laptop I bought second hand for $250, core i5 8gb ram and an ssd and normal drive. It doesnt look nice, but it works great

Definitely wish there were prettier non-mac laptops knocking around

Samsung and Asus make some good looking machines

hehehe, yeah, I loved thinkpads, but damn, were they hideous and bulky

It's what's inside that counts! All ThinkPads are beautiful!

and the trackpoint is amazing

There are rumors about a new thinkpad in the old style coming out soon

Something about an anniversary I think

i am really looking forward to that one. i'm running a carbon 3rd gen and couldn't be happier. but if i can get a 3:2 size screen that would be amazing

Same, holding on to my old xps13 in the meantime

those look so nice (especially the screen) except i've gotten used to the trackpoint. I don't think i could do a computer without one in the future. I'm a homerow keyboard user (emacs, cvim in browser, etc) but that trackpoint is just perfect

Theres a company doing mech keyboards with trackpoints, Tex

(I am an atreus user)

Tex kb are prolly high quality. I own a few of the cases they used to make

Thinkpads all have weird driver bugs, though 😕

i've been drooling over a happy hacker keyboard for a while though...

i haven't had any weird driver bugs on mine. i'm just running standard fedora on thinkpad and its been pretty smooth sailing for me

I used to use a hhkb2, but I went back to cherry switches

just tough to get my hands on one to try it out. didn't like the topre?

I did, it s quite different, I used it for years. But it s difficult to mod, and my hands prefer the atreus layout

Nipple keyboard, looks really nice

I could sell the hhkb to you if interested

unicomp has trackpoints too, http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/UB40PGA

if you like buckling spring, anyways, be prepared to annoy anyone within a 15m radius

speaking of keyboards, has anyone tried https://ergodox-ez.com/?

I’ve been drooling over those for a while but I’ve never pulled the trigger

I did, they are nice indeed

tried an infinity variant tho, but it's more or less the same

Using it to type this message 🙂

Enjoying it pretty well. It certainly takes a bit to get used to, and my only major complaint so far has been a tendency for the firmware to get 'stuck', but that's rare and fixed easily by unplugging / replugging

It's been really helping my posture, since my shoulders are relatively broad and a standard ergonomic is still too narrow

The tenting can take some fiddling to find an optimal configuration, but shouldn't be too difficult.

The layout and layering customization is pretty straightforward.

apparently I lack the technical ability to get my gtx9 980 ti to drive 3 external monitors under linux

it's macs from here on out for me for dev machine

@fellshard how long did it take?

Hard to say. I learned a new layout a couple of years ago, QWERTY -> Colemak, so I think the learning curve there helped prepare me for this one. Only took a few weeks to smooth out the worst of the bumps, and that was mostly adjusting to the thumb keys.

And that was with inconsistent use, too; on-and-off.

my main fear with those keyboards is that I'll be forced to type on normal keyboards on other people's machines and my laptop

kinda hard to go with a layout that isn't available everywhere

I learned to switch between QWERTY and Colemak; my home machine is still QWERTY 🙂

Super handy

you are a better man than me

Be prepared for initial frustration, be ready to flash the firmware in case specific habits are more easily adapted to than broken. For example, I had to swap the 'space' and 'enter' keys because I was regularly using my right thumb to hit space

All it took was using both regularly over the course of a few months, and it became second nature

Just the fact that most people use local keyboard layout and I use Standard US is source of infinite rage

hahah

how do people manage to type anything when {} are ctrl+alt+m,n

Ick

IntelljIDEA with smart braces is saving a lot of asses

That sounds like emacs gone totally wrong

And yeah, ParInfer is incredible for working with Lisps so far

The @ is ctr+alt+b

and so on

Ugh

I swear we need a 'programmer's layout'

But ctr+alt is alt gr

so that's one key

Yeah

Well I am in need of a new keyboard and that looks super comfy

ive been using programmer dvorak for a while, plan to switch to colemak eventually tho

@fellshard cool! what switches are you using?

Blues, my first time using 'em. Deliciously clicky