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borkdude16:12:01

How do you bring up the js console when you’re at a breakpoint in Chrome

borkdude16:12:13

I could swear this just worked before 🙂

camdez17:12:40

Clojurians #off-topic rarely gets as off-topic as I’d expect. 🙂

dpsutton17:12:02

what's your favorite painting, @camdez

camdez17:12:45

That’s an awesome question, @dpsutton. Sadly I’m not sure I have one. What’s yours?

dpsutton17:12:56

we should probably move this to #favoritepaintings

dpsutton17:12:12

haha. i need to view more art so i can form a valid opinion on this

dpsutton17:12:17

i'm too dry and technical these days

camdez17:12:25

Step 0: generate some art.

camdez17:12:02

I always seem to get sucked into the Renaissance paintings at art museums. Haven’t really thought much about why… but the technical prowess and boldness of the colors never fail to impress.

camdez17:12:17

Also the sheer size of some.

gdeer8117:12:21

This channel is just to discuss ideas for off-topic subjects. once you've thought of a good off-topic subject, we'll create a channel for it and you can move the discussion there 🐼

ballpointcarrot17:12:39

#off-topic-triage ?

dominicm18:12:28

http://clojurians.net/ this still the correct link to join? Assume it will be back up later?

paul.legato21:12:29

@camdez interesting factoid: I've been looking into how to create that 'bold color' effect - turns out there is no bold paint. All (stable) pigments are rather dull, and the availability of pigments was even worse during the Renaissance. The bold effect is a very cleverly designed optical illusion -- the non-bold parts of the painting are made to be even darker and more subdued than the bold parts, yet not so dark that detail can't be seen.

paul.legato21:12:39

A large part of the trick / skill is calibrating the degree of darkness in the dark parts

camdez21:12:07

@paul.legato: that is an interesting factoid. I remember hearing something recently about the history of the color black, and how the darkest black pigments we have are actually a fairly recent development and represent a significant event in artistic capability. (loosely related)

paul.legato21:12:04

Yeah.. in terms of realist style painting, there's little to nothing in the real world that's actually "black" as such. Most black-looking objects are actually very low values of blue or some other color

paul.legato21:12:35

so if you paint real things using actually black pigment, it looks subtly weird (which may be what you want, or not)

camdez21:12:16

@paul.legato: makes perfect theoretical sense, but the fact that the artistic community was affected by developments in the ability to produce the color black as late as the 1950s or 60s (IIRC) was a surprise to me.

camdez21:12:55

@paul.legato Also, thanks for going legitimately off topic with me. 🙂

paul.legato21:12:50

Sure, anytime!

paul.legato21:12:04

yeah, a lot of modern synthetic pigments didn't exist till the 19th or 20th centuries. More exist naturally but were very rare / expensive before the synthetic version was invented

paul.legato21:12:08

e.g lapis lazuli - the only brilliant blue available in premodern times, very expensive in Europe as it had to be imported from around modern Afghanistan

paul.legato21:12:01

hence its extensive use in many royal paintings, as a status symbol of great wealth, e.g.

paul.legato21:12:49

most Renaissance painters only used ~8 pigments to do all that