@naomarik: huh, an NPE never happened for me, that's weird. Anything interesting in the stacktrace? Also, if you feel that's enough for today feel free to ping me tomorrow if you get around to it.

okay thanks 😉 appreciate your help

Apart from the emacs part it shouldn't be too hard to get it working

(because I don't know the next thing about emacs)

i just got it working

super ahppy

tomorrow some real work shall begin, thanks jaen for your help.. boot seems a bit nicer than lein/fig for me

Oh, what was wrong?

@jaen whole lot of stuff, tenzing made an app skeleton with old dependencies, had to set up a .boot a profile.boot that was a bit different than the latest documentation, realized cider-jack-in-clojurescript wasn't helping out, had to use cider-connect to localhost to connect to the repl started with boot dev, from there i do (start-repl) ensure the browser is connected and i'm good

it's a bit crazy, had probably 30 browser tabs open at once and my normal day is 10 max

@naomarik: I stream here: https://www.livecoding.tv/sveri from time to time using cursive. So if you are interested you might join me and I answer a few question so you get a comparison 😉

@sveri: will do thanks 😉

@naomarik: ah yeah, it seems tenzing is a bit out of date, now that I look at it, yeah. I usually set up a project from the ground myself so wasn't aware that it's a bit out of date, sorry. Good thing you've figured it out though.

so from the people using emacs/vim for clojure, are there more in emacs, or in vim?

@pvinis I'm pretty sure its emacs but let's see what the "state of clojure" tells us this yesr

Based on a straw poll from recent Clojure eXchange conference in London emacs user out number vim users by close to 2:1

hm

im thinking of switching to evil mode from vim, so doing stuff in clojure might push me a bit more to do that

Vim people seem to like spacemacs from what I've seen.

@pvinis: i've made the switch and it's worth it

I've made a switch for a month and went back to vim

yea i tried spacemaccs for a bit, and it was kindof ok

but i wanted to start from scratch to understand what spacemacs does etc

so i might keep using spacemacs for now, and slowly understand emacs

I'm a evil-mode user coming from many years of vim (and, before that, elvis) and I'm quite happy.

do you use evil mode everywhere?

I rather use Cursive

or do you use emacs keys for anything?

I'm a vi user from way back. Would like to have a repl / editor together, and have a groups of files that can be kept together. I tried spacemacs but could not easily see how the 'group of files' thing worked. I'm thinking of trying fireplace vim next. Does that sound reasonable?

I'm on Windows at the moment. Would be good to be able to drag files from Windows Explorer and those kinds of things.

How about Intellij + Cursive? Though I'm not sure how good their vim emulation is.

That should at least get that "GUI file dragging" part right.

@pvinis: i use evil mode everywhere, it's kind of natural the way it is. just had a few custom keybindings and settings and i'm able to use it productively

The repl never worked for me - got out of memory error. I noticed DN complain that it has a huge classpath. Little problems like that keep me away for the moment. Also I'm confused as to what namespace it is taking on.

although my rspec TDD flow in vim is still way faster, i'd have to learn elisp to bring it over and i haven't yet

so i go back to vim sometimes for quick testing workflow

So just looking for something simple I guess.

@cjmurphy: what you mean by 'group of files'

btw, it took me at least 6 tries to get into spacemacs

Files kept together as a group, workgroup it is sometimes called.

naomarik: i will try it

with a fulltime job and everything (i've since quit :P)

ah, don't know waht that is 😜

Textpad calls it a 'workspace'.

maybe you mean projectile?

if you working in a git directory you can project find files very easliy

i love this feature

and magit for git commits is extremely nice

somehow my git messages are way more meaningful being able to see the diff in front of me in a nice easy way

when i ctrl-z into command line vim i would essentially write garbage half the time like "work done"

https://precursorapp.com/ this is probably the most beastly polished things i've seen. are the developers present in this slack group?

@naomarik: I believe the same guys did the initial work for the circleci frontend, this talk by Brandon Bloom credits them at the beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNtQPSUi1iQ

theyre pretty monstrous aren't they