I’m not sure how much you can share from the code, info , or error measages, but I would be happy to help debug

Happy to share the whole thing but it would waste your time with my incidental (to this problem) complexity

I'll do some first sanity checks see how I go

I think it was just a very boring version problem, I thought I'd explicitly checked the version of phronmophobic but I my fork wasn't rebased to the very latest just like oct, changing that seems to have made the difference

don't know what's changed in the meantime

that was a good few hours I spent running exhaustive iterations to work out what wasn't working in an old version

glad to hear that it's working now, but those types of issues are always frustrating when you finally find the fix.