Morning from a packed train from Newcastle to London.

Morning

Morning!

@agile_geek: just scrolling through chat (I’ve been off sick) - I’m a huge fan of cursive, I used to use emacs but moved to cursive for it’s multi-language support and refactoring - seems like emacs is catching up on the refactoring front finally, but it’s taken a while!

and, just as in emacs, you really need to learn the paredit commands: https://cursiveclojure.com/userguide/paredit.html

on that note we are getting close to refactor release 1.1.0

some new stuff: rename directory/package. find/rename macro support, inlining symbols, add stubs for protocols, interfaces or from example usage, various bugfixes

Morning

checking 1.1.0 snapshot and giving us feedback (bugreports) would be great btw 😉

Morning from the north

excellent. Emacs should be a better editor for clojure - it’s lisp all the way down - it just seemed to lag for a while!

forgot my manners: reggelt!

@korny: i think paredit(or similar)/cider/clj-refactor is a really powerful combo. but then surely i am biased 😉

For me, if I were deep in clojure all day, on a single code base, with my head totally in the zone, I’d probably switch back to emacs like a shot. But the reality is, I work on multi-language projects, I often have to look at several different codebases, and I’m not always working on my code, that I understand - I’m browsing someone else’s code, or a shared codebase, and if I’m in emacs I really feel the lack of a GUI, with a graphical tree of the project structure and the ability to rapidly browse it. Speedbar or dired just don’t cut it.

@korny: absolutely valid point about multi lang projects. I have not checked for while but after 1.5 java syntax changes emacs java support (used to use JDEE) practically got removed

It’s funny - I used emacs “back in the day” when I was a C++/Python coder - and tried really hard to keep using it when I moved to Java, but gave up, the whole “run ctags to generate references” thing was just painful.

morning d00dz

@korny @benedek I love cursive because of the debugger!

there is a debugger now in cider too. (on 0.9 snapshot but 0.9 will be released most likely this week)

can’t really share details as i don’t find myself doing much debugging in clojure having the REPL and all

i am sure cursive debugging is awesome tho 😉

@benedek ah cool, I'll take a look. I remember trying to get a debugger working in emacs before (after watching a supercool YouTube video about it) but didn't manage to set it up right

a short intro by malabarba who actually wrote the debugger: http://endlessparentheses.com/cider-debug-a-visual-interactive-debugger-for-clojure.html

he can be found in the #C0617A8PQ channel here i think

wait @thomas who else is in southampton? I should hit em up. 3-5 is enough for pub

@tcrayford: there is Chris J., Alan F. (not sure if he is on here (yet)), Phil R. and Keith M. might be interested as well.

@tcrayford: where are you based?

inner avenue, near town

(bottom end of portswood really)

Cool

let me invite the others as well here and then maybe we can organise something

awesome I'm kinda busy the next few weeks (until euroclojure - have a talk to prepare), but I can prolly manage pub at some point during that

@thomas: you know where everybody else is based? Where are you?

I am in Chandler's Ford and the other are near So'ton as well.

neat then. I'm kinda restricted mobility wise - don't have a car right now, but I'm happy catching buses or trains or whatever works

getting into so'ton isn't really a problem for us anyway. Chris and I met up with Alan at Starbucks a few weeks ago

neat then. Coffee is fine for me as well - I work from home most of the time

@benedek thanks!

@natasha: np

@jr0cket: Hi John 👋

Hi @jr0cket

welcome @jr0cket

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welp. I might just have figured out macros.