(I say that, because I am going through the list of companies that use clojure listed on the clojure website, trying to get another remote clojure job)

- xkcd in your daily-read list

hmm?

that was one of desired skills in job description above, nevermind

I have to agree with hiredman. I've been privy to a number of senior Clojure devs' job searches over the past few months, and every single one of them was looking for remote positions only. If you are looking to hire senior Clojure people and having trouble, I'd say it would be worth the trouble to invest in building a remote team. My $.02.

I'd be curious to know how senior remote devs mentor juniors

or hear stories about having successfully graduated a junior to a senior on a remote team... i've never seen it done in my own experience, but my experience is narrow

yeah, it seems difficult to me

Lots of pairing initially, giving them lead on small, well-specified projects on which they can make mistakes and iterate on ‘em

yes, i am starting to regret my move as CTO to promote Clojure

it's almost impossible to get local Clojure devs

i have a 6 person team, of which we need one more senior clojure backend programmer... and nobody appears to be willing to relocate and/or in the area

but yes, we are using what's being called "teamboosting"

so we hire very senior experts to become "part of the team" for a week or so

remotely

that works out pretty well, but it's always a gamble -- it must require the remote engineer to be very communicative

@lmergen: what area are you in

amsterdam

company?

http://www.autheos.com

video distribution platform + analytics

so anyway, i've shifted my focus on getting people that have some affinity with FP in general trained in clojure

and we can do that by using "teamboosting" with seniors who help out a few hours a week

@lmergen: cool, are you coming to Dutch Clojure Day?

when is that?!

http://www.ticketbase.com/events/dutch-clojure-days-2016

i should bring the whole fucking dev team haha

oh damn, i'm definitely gonna be there

oh wait

sold out I'm afraid

looks like i have to send someone an offer they cannot refuse to get there

or become a sponsor

even the wait list is full... lol

@lmergen: you can always come to the Clojure meetup in Amsterdam or organize one

well at least that tells me there's a lot of traction of clojure around here

at your company

i take it you're from here also?

Amersfoort

good to know

and you work fulltime at a regular job, or do something different ?

I just started a job and a quit a job where I used Clojure, crazy enough 😛

heresy!

yeah, a bit... I still have to figure out how much I will miss clojure 😉

well, if you miss it too much, and would enjoy working at a startup... give me a call

but one of the things was, I was only one of two people at the company who did it. I wasn't really part of a team

so now they have a clojure code base and just lost half of their dev team... hmm

@alandipert: so I just spent five years working for a company where the devs were all remote, and as others have mentioned initial hires spent a while pairing, and then we had a very strong code review practice

@lmergen: I did my best to train people before I left

@lmergen: you could post a message to the clojure meetup mailing list for a job of course

generally, when I interview, the reasoning I get for requiring people to be onsite is something like "we are trying to build a close knit team", which is crazy to me, I am still in touch with most of the team members from that job that was 100% remote. we have almost an alumni thing going on

@hiredman: it is more difficult when it's mixed remote and on site probably. The people who are remote miss a lot that way. When everybody is remote, it's easier, because all communication happens online

hiredman: well, as an employer, i see the benefits of working remote

but i do like to have everyone in the office at least once a week

as in, together

drink beer

eat sushi

whatever

oh sorry @dottedmag i didn't see your msg

On the topic of remote teams, I watched this talk by Floyd Marinescu. Found it quite interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i71bbQqdy0M&list=PLJNI511LYmA48dKjzQUSIgVz13Zg9NXZC&index=5

Worth viewing the entire talk

thats a great talk!!