Clojurians Log v2

Anecdotal example, but I had recruiter write to me on linkedin about clojure job in my town, which does not happen often

i got a lot more interviews the last ~4 months (and offers!) when i started looking for hybrid as well. also getting a lot of recruiter messages. my current company is also finally starting to backfill positions we lost last year, although those are mostly product and management.

I've been trying to get a dev job for years but no success. I've given up at this point.

Everyone who interviews me says I don't have enough experience. Which is a really stupid thing to say after an interview since they could have just read my CV in the first place and saved us the time.

Cautiously positive, but I think it will still be a relatively tough market this year.

@joseph592 I don't think it's worth swimming against the current. Go for a job that's in demand. If you are a good programmer and love the job, you will likely find a way to start your own project, without an employer.

@shkertik yep I code stuff all the time as a hobby. I'm just not sure I have the business or marketing skills to make money from it.

@joseph592 try talking to people with different backgrounds, and see if they have problems that can be solved with a commercial program. I found some ideas this way. Don't push it, it 100% possible that you might not find an opportunity. You can also find some partners with good market understanding. Even co-founder search services might work out, if you are able to sell your skill. In general, just try to become of big benefit to some people, and make that your profession. Don't fixate on programming.

Hm so networking essentially? I'm not sure there are many networking opportunities in my town. I could move to a larger city and see what opportunities I could find to connect with people.

@joseph592 Yes, networking. I think the main reason programmers are generally bad at sales/marketing, is we don't talk to people outside of IT enough. In my experience, expat communities are great for networking. You could try downshifting, living in Africa for a couple months, and talking to expats there. Africa is great, because a lot of "old news" products are novel there, you can just copy some things from more developed economies.

Moving to Africa sounds radical but I'll look into it. Did you do something like this?

@joseph592 yes, I'm a Russian expat living in Serbia. This might be not as radical as moving to Africa, but it was a big change for me. Networking is great here, feels like a tight community, similar to Clojurians. Plus the market is much less competitive than in Russia.

It's a really interresting concept. Were you able to find a community there that speak russian or it's multilingual/english?

@joseph592 a lot of young people in Serbia speak English, especially in the 2 biggest cities. Although I mostly talked to other expats in Russian.

You have given me some ideas to think about. Thanks!